I haven't found a definition of a block in the rules book or the statistician's book. I guess it's we-know-one-when-we-see-one. Anyway, do counts of blocked shots measure something the defense is doing, poor shot selection on the part of the offense, both, or something else?
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Re: What do blocked-shot statistics measure?
Originally posted by spiehler View PostI haven't found a definition of a block in the rules book or the statistician's book. I guess it's we-know-one-when-we-see-one. Anyway, do counts of blocked shots measure something the defense is doing, poor shot selection on the part of the offense, both, or something else?
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Collegehockeyinc.com does track these, with a sortable table (and yes, an RPI guy is second in the nation). The stat does tend to be arbitrary from rink to rink. Not as bad as hits, but close. The analytics guys have written a lot about blocked shots. In general, they seem to have more value when done by forwards a long way from the net. With d men close to the net, the effort to stop the shot also tends to screen your goalie. There's also the injury factor.
Big picture, the analytics guys stick to their main theme - If they are shooting the puck, that means you don't have it, and if you don't have it, you're not winning, whether you're blocking a lot of shots or not.
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If my teams forwards are going down to block a lot of shots, I think it can be a measure of the team culture--that the forward are buying into their roles and responsibilities in the zone
It might also mean they are spending too much time in the box.Last edited by burd; 02-03-2016, 01:00 PM.
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Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View PostIn RPI's case this year (as a couple of their players are towards the top in the statistic so I hear; CHS doesn't track blocked shots and I don't know who does), it seems to be what the D is doing.
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The definition is in the scorer's judgement would the puck have been a shot on goal if it was not for a defensive skater redirecting the shot from becoming a shot on goal. Yes, they are going to vary widely because it's a split-second decision that involves the scorer having to both call out the shooter and a defensive player, and there is not going to be a review of a peripheral stat. You will also have schools who have employed the same scorers for decades while others constantly cycle students.
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Originally posted by mmb5 View PostThe definition is in the scorer's judgement would the puck have been a shot on goal if it was not for a defensive skater redirecting the shot from becoming a shot on goal. Yes, they are going to vary widely because it's a split-second decision that involves the scorer having to both call out the shooter and a defensive player, and there is not going to be a review of a peripheral stat. You will also have schools who have employed the same scorers for decades while others constantly cycle students.
There will inevitably be many subjective calls as to whether a player is shooting, passing, dumping the puck into the corner, and so on. It's a split second decision as to the player's intent. But once it has been decided that a shot on goal has been attempted, the result will be one of the following:
1. Goal
2. Shot on Goal; Save
3. Pipe
4. Shot Attempt; Wide (Includes Left, Right & Over The Crossbar)
5. Shot Attempt; Blocked.
My understanding is that these are mutually exclusive and exhaustive categories. In other words, every attempt ends up in one -- and only one -- of the above classifications.
One last detail: Pipes can be correctly categorized as wide shots if you don't want to track them separately. But pipes are not shots on goal.
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Originally posted by purpleinnebraska View Post
Big picture, the analytics guys stick to their main theme - If they are shooting the puck, that means you don't have it, and if you don't have it, you're not winning, whether you're blocking a lot of shots or not.Originally posted by dicaslover
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Originally posted by maizerage View Postblocking a shot is like killing a rat. You're better off doing it than not, but if you're doing it all the time, you've got a serious problem.Wisconsin Hockey: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 WE WANT MORE!
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Originally posted by IsThereADog View PostI heard on the radio after the QU game that Q had 102 shot attempts on RPI - 48 on goal - not sure how many were blocked, but RPI certainly wasn't shying away from getting bodies in shooting lanes.
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ECAC Blocked Shots as of 02/04/2016
#1. RPI 477
#2. Quinnipiac 372
#3. Princeton 311
#4. Cornell 304
#5. Harvard 301
#6. Colgate 291
#7. Union 285
#8. Dartmouth 279
#9. Brown 272
#10. Saints 265
#11. Yale 258
#12. Clarkson 252
ECAC Standings as of 02/04/2016
1 Quinnipiac
2 Harvard
3 Rensselaer
4 Yale
5 Dartmouth
6 St. Lawrence
7 Cornell
8 Clarkson
9 Union
10 Princeton
Colgate
12 Brown
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I agree with what nmb5 and pgb said, and would add that because of the complexities they mentioned, “blocked shots” isn't a particularly meaningful statistic over a small sample size. For a full college season or half an NHL season, it may be meaningful.
Other than the willingness of the players to block shots, I can think of a couple of coaching/goaltending strategies that could affect the blocked shots stat. A coach could make blocking shots a point of emphasis (John Tortorella seemed to do this when he coached the Ranngers) and enforce it. Or a goalie may prefer that his teammates let him see the shot clearly and discourage blocking shots, at least from long range.
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Originally posted by CLS View Post... Or a goalie may prefer that his teammates let him see the shot clearly and discourage blocking shots, at least from long range.
Ah yes. Washington DC. Verizon Center. 2009 Frozen Four. Title Game. Overtime. Yup. I see at least one goalie who would discourage blocking shots, at least from long range.
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Originally posted by pgb-ohio View PostAgree with all of this, and would add the following:
There will inevitably be many subjective calls as to whether a player is shooting, passing, dumping the puck into the corner, and so on. It's a split second decision as to the player's intent. But once it has been decided that a shot on goal has been attempted, the result will be one of the following:
1. Goal
2. Shot on Goal; Save
3. Pipe
4. Shot Attempt; Wide (Includes Left, Right & Over The Crossbar)
5. Shot Attempt; Blocked.
My understanding is that these are mutually exclusive and exhaustive categories. In other words, every attempt ends up in one -- and only one -- of the above classifications.
One last detail: Pipes can be correctly categorized as wide shots if you don't want to track them separately. But pipes are not shots on goal.
Also, what is not discussed is what does constitute a shot. I use the rule of anywhere on the ice if it is shot on goal, has to be in the offensive zone to be pipe/wide/blocked.
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