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Lion fan
12-11-2015, 07:24 AM
What is going on with PSU this year? Can they turn things around in the second half?

Rightnut
12-11-2015, 03:28 PM
I see the question of not so much turning things around, but continuing to develop a young program. With excellent support and top notch facilities, I assume that this is a program on the rise or should be. The question is will they continue to improve.

Lion fan
12-11-2015, 09:23 PM
Not sure where your coming from men's team is producing wins and moving north guy doing a good job girls program is moving south. Not sure if the dynamics are the same but the results are clearly different. Girls still can make a run but not much time left in this season

Rightnut
12-12-2015, 08:34 AM
Not coming from anywhere - just observing from the outside. If you just wanted to bash the girls' team why didn't you just come out and do it from the outset rather than this passive aggressive approach? Not sure you can draw any conclusions from comparing men's programs to women's programs.

Reggie44
12-12-2015, 08:47 AM
Any thought of joining the WCHA?

truthbetold
12-13-2015, 11:39 AM
Coaching. Period.

HockeyEast33
12-13-2015, 12:39 PM
Coaching. Period.

Can't speak to the women's coach Brandwene (been some negative press on this forum in the past but I don't have any insight - seemed to be coming from disgruntled friends of cut players). However, the men's coach Gadowsky is a true treasure - he made Alaska-Fairbanks successful and coached Princeton into the NCAA tourney twice and converted a half dozen of his Princeton players into NHL players (previously unheard of). He is the real deal and it does not surprise me in the least that the men's team is showing success. Not sure if that is a fair comparison for Brandwene.

ZedLeppelin
12-14-2015, 09:09 AM
I think Brandwene's primary focus is on having the team at its best for the conference tournament, since the CHA champ automatically moves on to the national tournament now, and he uses the regular season to adjust things for that. That's the impression, anyway. He doesn't have a roster of Olympians, so he's never going to get that level of play out of his team and be ranked and have flashy regular season stats, etc, but he does have a team that has every bit as good a chance to win the CHA as anyone else in the conference. It looks a lot like how it is with RIT during the regular season, and RIT is always a force at the conference tournament in spite of their regular season record.

HockeyEast33
12-14-2015, 03:42 PM
He doesn't have a roster of Olympians, so he's never going to get that level of play out of his team and be ranked and have flashy regular season stats, etc,

OK - so I gave Brandwene a pass on the men's coach comparison. But I TOTALLY do NOT agree with the above statement. With Penn State's facilities, academics, and resources (both financial and otherwise), there is NO reason that Penn State cannot attract Olympians. The only missing ingredient in the recipe at Penn State is success/tradition. A good coach should be able to create that over time (not Union time, but reasonable time :)) given Penn State's other attractions - which is what Gadowsky has done on the men's side. This is entirely possible on the women's side as well and I would go so far as to say EXPECTED at an athletically focused school like Penn State.

EastFan1
12-14-2015, 03:55 PM
I think Brandwene's primary focus is on having the team at its best for the conference tournament, since the CHA champ automatically moves on to the national tournament now, and he uses the regular season to adjust things for that. That's the impression, anyway. He doesn't have a roster of Olympians, so he's never going to get that level of play out of his team and be ranked and have flashy regular season stats, etc, but he does have a team that has every bit as good a chance to win the CHA as anyone else in the conference. It looks a lot like how it is with RIT during the regular season, and RIT is always a force at the conference tournament in spite of their regular season record.

Not trying that hard during the regular season. Interesting strategy.

Puckdrop14
12-14-2015, 05:16 PM
Not trying that hard during the regular season. Interesting strategy.

And RIT had Binnington which made a huge difference.

Rightnut
12-14-2015, 07:21 PM
OK - so I gave Brandwene a pass on the men's coach comparison. But I TOTALLY do NOT agree with the above statement. With Penn State's facilities, academics, and resources (both financial and otherwise), there is NO reason that Penn State cannot attract Olympians. The only missing ingredient in the recipe at Penn State is success/tradition. A good coach should be able to create that over time (not Union time, but reasonable time :)) given Penn State's other attractions - which is what Gadowsky has done on the men's side. This is entirely possible on the women's side as well and I would go so far as to say EXPECTED at an athletically focused school like Penn State.

This is true- but what is a reasonable time? It looks like their record has improved each year since going D1. Is it just that it's not been fast enough? Is 3 classes enough to make a determination?

Lion fan
12-15-2015, 07:57 AM
4 years is plenty of time to evaluate a head coaches ability. He lacks basic coaching skills and his ability to connect with recruits around the country is not good. The only people that would benefit from the current coach being retained by PSU are the teams in the CHA. Not a single team in the CHA have the resources available to them like josh has. Conservatively speaking without change this program could be 10years away from any type credibility. Losing tradition is harder to shake than a winning tradition is to create.

hocper
12-15-2015, 08:31 AM
4 years is plenty of time to evaluate a head coaches ability. He lacks basic coaching skills and his ability to connect with recruits around the country is not good. The only people that would benefit from the current coach being retained by PSU are the teams in the CHA. Not a single team in the CHA have the resources available to them like josh has. Conservatively speaking without change this program could be 10years away from any type credibility. Losing tradition is harder to shake than a winning tradition is to create.

Lion Fan - you have 4 total posts and they're all directed negatively at PSU (specifically Coach Josh). It's obvious you have an issue with him and only posting when they are in a tough spot. You weren't posting when they beat BU earlier this year or when they had over 15 wins last year. I could be wrong but my best guess is your a former player (who was released) or parent who has an axe to grind. We get it you don't like him!! The CHA is a tough league. Any team can win on any night. Some of those programs have a ton of winning tradition over PSU. Have there been injuries? Bad breaks? To my knowledge recruiting is taking place 2 years in advance so.....maybe it takes 6 years to get a good read (with recruiting anyways)

Rightnut
12-15-2015, 12:29 PM
Lion Fan - you have 4 total posts and they're all directed negatively at PSU (specifically Coach Josh). It's obvious you have an issue with him and only posting when they are in a tough spot. You weren't posting when they beat BU earlier this year or when they had over 15 wins last year. I could be wrong but my best guess is your a former player (who was released) or parent who has an axe to grind. We get it you don't like him!! The CHA is a tough league. Any team can win on any night. Some of those programs have a ton of winning tradition over PSU. Have there been injuries? Bad breaks? To my knowledge recruiting is taking place 2 years in advance so.....maybe it takes 6 years to get a good read (with recruiting anyways)

Recruiting is now 4 years out. Freshmen are being offered and committing but that's a who 'nother discussion. But it goes to the point that it's hard to evaluate because PSU is just starting to get the recruits to campus that it began recruiting after going D1.

EastFan1
12-15-2015, 02:24 PM
Lion Fan - you have 4 total posts and they're all directed negatively at PSU (specifically Coach Josh). It's obvious you have an issue with him and only posting when they are in a tough spot. You weren't posting when they beat BU earlier this year or when they had over 15 wins last year. I could be wrong but my best guess is your a former player (who was released) or parent who has an axe to grind. We get it you don't like him!! The CHA is a tough league. Any team can win on any night. Some of those programs have a ton of winning tradition over PSU. Have there been injuries? Bad breaks? To my knowledge recruiting is taking place 2 years in advance so.....maybe it takes 6 years to get a good read (with recruiting anyways)

Have their been some big injuries? One win in the past 14 games is pretty tough. Half the 4 wins came against Union. If it was the men's program I would bet some fans might be asking for a change so it's probably good its a lower profile sport if you want him to stay.

ZedLeppelin
12-17-2015, 08:08 AM
With Penn State's facilities, academics, and resources (both financial and otherwise), there is NO reason that Penn State cannot attract Olympians

I agree, for the same reasons - Brandwene should be able to attract that level of player to Penn State, but he hasn't, so the team doesn't play at that level. That's on Brandwene. We'll see how patient Penn State is going to be with him with this being their fourth year - I couldn't even begin to guess what kind of contract he got. I would think a school like Penn State has a definite timeline of expectations for a coach to meet, new program or not.


Not trying that hard during the regular season. Interesting strategy.

I wouldn't say "not trying hard" during the regular season, but everyone makes it to the conference tournament in the CHA, regardless of what they do in the regular season, so Brandwene's thinking seems to be "build up to conference time". I have no idea what his coaching strategy really is, but that seems to be close.

KTDC
12-17-2015, 09:07 AM
I have seen Penn State play 3 times the last 2 seasons, all against Minnesota. They never scored a goal so it's hard to praise them too much. But I thought they were a good skating team who played hard all the time, even at the end of a 8-0 game which not everybody does.

They are #12 in the country (#1 in the CHA) in goals against per game which is pretty good. Obviously, they need scoring. Losing Caitlyn Reilly after her freshman season was a huge loss, whether that was on Brandwene or homesickness I don't know. I agree Penn State should be able to get some good recruits. I can't tell if they are backsliding over the course of this season, but if not I would take them seriously in the CHA tournament.

BTW-If I remember correctly. the discussion criticizing Brandwene a while back was over whether he was too harsh in cutting a bunch of players after the first D1 season.

ZedLeppelin
12-18-2015, 08:28 AM
BTW-If I remember correctly. the discussion criticizing Brandwene a while back was over whether he was too harsh in cutting a bunch of players after the first D1 season.

That was the talk, but I don't see how making big cuts could be avoided, or he'd be looking at replacing an entire roster at the end of this fourth season. Some of those cut players seemed like a questionable call, but many of them really were first-season roster fillers anyway.

ZedLeppelin
12-18-2015, 08:30 AM
A couple of quotes from the latest USCHO Wednesday Women blog:

"Of course, given the struggles of all CHA teams right now, the goal has to be winning the CHA tournament, and anything can happen. I almost think the regular season doesn’t even matter much, except for home ice"

"I’d say that the (CHA) teams farther down the standings might be more inclined to focus more on preparing for the postseason than trying to gain a spot in the standings"