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Originally posted by TonyTheTiger20 View PostNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO kill it with fire
TTT, I was thinking of you when I posted this originally - wouldn't you rather see more of the Whioux and UMD place of Syracuse and Merrimack?
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Originally posted by Leather helmet View PostIn exactly the same way that the creation of a Big Ten conference shook up the men's game, a Big Ten conference would do the same for women. There would be opportunities for the better eastern programs to join up with the UMDs and UNDs to improve the level of play, and it would free up more non-conference opportunities for everyone. You would see more players from the east coming west to play college hockey.
The biggest fallout of this is that there's essentially zero chance of Michigan and Michigan State adding programs until such time as the sport is large enough that BTN does want to show a lot more of it. The whole argument that it's Red Berenson's attitude that is preventing Michigan from adding women's hockey is misguided. I have no doubt that he's not in favor of it, but his support is probably not necessary for the school to add women's hockey, and it definitely isn't sufficient. The roadblock to its addition is the athletic department's decision to focus on other sports.
For much the same reason that a Big 10 conference is unlikely, the formation of one wouldn't lead to more east/west non-conference matchups, especially on the part of the teams left behind in the WCHA. Losing Minnesota, Ohio State, and Wisconsin to the Big 10 would do nothing to alleviate the travelling expenses associated with such games. I think a more likely result is some current WCHA teams either folding or becoming the shells of programs as the interest generated by being in a conference with the Gophers vanishes.
If Michigan and Michigan State were to add women's hockey in the immediate future, I think a better solution than Big 10 conference play would be for them to join the CHA, probably followed by a swap of Ohio State and Lindenwood in order to produce a bit more geographical balance. As I said, though, the chances of this are close enough to zero that we're just engaging in wishful thinking.
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Originally posted by Eeyore View PostThere's no guarantee that Michigan and Michigan State adding women's hockey would lead to it becoming a Big 10 conference sport. It would produce a significant increase in travel costs, and the driving force behind the creation of a Big 10 men's conference wouldn't be there, as I doubt that the Big 10 network is clamoring for more women's hockey as programming.
The biggest fallout of this is that there's essentially zero chance of Michigan and Michigan State adding programs until such time as the sport is large enough that BTN does want to show a lot more of it. The whole argument that it's Red Berenson's attitude that is preventing Michigan from adding women's hockey is misguided. I have no doubt that he's not in favor of it, but his support is probably not necessary for the school to add women's hockey, and it definitely isn't sufficient. The roadblock to its addition is the athletic department's decision to focus on other sports.
For much the same reason that a Big 10 conference is unlikely, the formation of one wouldn't lead to more east/west non-conference matchups, especially on the part of the teams left behind in the WCHA. Losing Minnesota, Ohio State, and Wisconsin to the Big 10 would do nothing to alleviate the travelling expenses associated with such games. I think a more likely result is some current WCHA teams either folding or becoming the shells of programs as the interest generated by being in a conference with the Gophers vanishes.
If Michigan and Michigan State were to add women's hockey in the immediate future, I think a better solution than Big 10 conference play would be for them to join the CHA, probably followed by a swap of Ohio State and Lindenwood in order to produce a bit more geographical balance. As I said, though, the chances of this are close enough to zero that we're just engaging in wishful thinking.CCT '77 & '78
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Originally posted by joecct View PostThink of who would get the AQ in a B1G less WCHA. It would offer hope to UMD and BSU.
Anyway, I hope it doesn't happen any time soon. I like being able to realistically drive to every arena in the league except Ohio State."... And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;" -- Rudyard Kipling
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Originally posted by ARM View PostWith only five teams, it wouldn't get an AQ unless some team was added.
Anyway, I hope it doesn't happen any time soon. I like being able to realistically drive to every arena in the league except Ohio State.
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Originally posted by NUWH DogHouse View PostIf both UM and MSU add there would be 6 B1G teams (Minny, Wisco, Ohio St, Penn St). And as I recall from the mens discussions at that point they MUST from a conference and play under the banner.
However, if it is a conference sanctioned sport, then any Big 10 school that plays it at the varsity level must play within the conference. This was the reason why Notre Dame's attempts to join the Big 10 in all sports except football fell apart. The conference schools had no interest in offering them the kind of waiver that the ACC did; it's not like Notre Dame is Johns Hopkins or anything.
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Originally posted by shelfit View PostVery funny. I think you mean either tattered flagship or sinking flagship - take your pick. There's nobody at the helm steering that ship. The AD will probably step back in or the men's assistant coach. Bad move either way but let's face it anyone could step in right now to run that program. They should just let the assistant coaches run the women's team this year.
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Originally posted by giwan View PostI believe the biggest reason they have some sports is to bring in more students. Example they also just started a football teamFERRIS STATE UNIVERSITY: 2012 FROZEN FOUR
God, that was fun...
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Originally posted by Hammer View PostAnd from what I've heard about their enrollment, they need all the help they can get on that front, sadly.Last edited by shelfit; 10-07-2015, 06:46 PM.
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According to this, Finlandia had 477 students on campus for Spring 2014. That's nothing but trouble. And from what I've heard (pure speculation until I see evidence), enrollment has dropped from there, although I just saw another article that pegs enrollment this fall at about 560.
Either way, that's not good. At that point, you've got to do something. You've got bills to pay, and the light bill and the food vendors and such aren't going to care one whit about how enrollment is down X percent.Last edited by Hammer; 10-07-2015, 08:06 PM.FERRIS STATE UNIVERSITY: 2012 FROZEN FOUR
God, that was fun...
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Originally posted by Eeyore View PostThis is false; I've actually discussed it with someone who worked in the Big 10 offices whose job involved knowing those kinds of rules. There must be at least six conference schools playing a sport before it can be a conference sport, but there are no requirements that it must be a conference sport based upon a specific number of schools playing it.
However, if it is a conference sanctioned sport, then any Big 10 school that plays it at the varsity level must play within the conference. This was the reason why Notre Dame's attempts to join the Big 10 in all sports except football fell apart. The conference schools had no interest in offering them the kind of waiver that the ACC did; it's not like Notre Dame is Johns Hopkins or anything.
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Originally posted by Eeyore View PostThere's no guarantee that Michigan and Michigan State adding women's hockey would lead to it becoming a Big 10 conference sport. It would produce a significant increase in travel costs, and the driving force behind the creation of a Big 10 men's conference wouldn't be there, as I doubt that the Big 10 network is clamoring for more women's hockey as programming.
The biggest fallout of this is that there's essentially zero chance of Michigan and Michigan State adding programs until such time as the sport is large enough that BTN does want to show a lot more of it. The whole argument that it's Red Berenson's attitude that is preventing Michigan from adding women's hockey is misguided. I have no doubt that he's not in favor of it, but his support is probably not necessary for the school to add women's hockey, and it definitely isn't sufficient. The roadblock to its addition is the athletic department's decision to focus on other sports.
For much the same reason that a Big 10 conference is unlikely, the formation of one wouldn't lead to more east/west non-conference matchups, especially on the part of the teams left behind in the WCHA. Losing Minnesota, Ohio State, and Wisconsin to the Big 10 would do nothing to alleviate the travelling expenses associated with such games. I think a more likely result is some current WCHA teams either folding or becoming the shells of programs as the interest generated by being in a conference with the Gophers vanishes.
If Michigan and Michigan State were to add women's hockey in the immediate future, I think a better solution than Big 10 conference play would be for them to join the CHA, probably followed by a swap of Ohio State and Lindenwood in order to produce a bit more geographical balance. As I said, though, the chances of this are close enough to zero that we're just engaging in wishful thinking.
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Originally posted by WiscDC View PostYou can have a conference with fewer than six teams in that sport, but there won't be an automatic berth in the national tournament.
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