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hab
02-25-2016, 09:52 PM
I don't see him leaving his current post. Your last line is laughable at best. Do you have any idea what lead to his departure from Syracuse?! There are certain lines you can't cross with your players. Special is not the operative word in his case.

No, I don't know why he left Syracuse. If you do...state it here...otherwise this kind of innuendo represents the worst of forums like this.

Flarrow
03-15-2016, 08:27 AM
FYI. Local press;
"Union College: Act like women's hockey matters By Mark McGuire February 23, 2016 www.dailygazette.com

Union College is bringing back arguably the worst coach in college hockey history — inarguably if you are going by the record.
For a 10th season.
A 10th season of not just losing, not just stunning losing, but historic losing.
If you couldn’t care less about Union women’s hockey — and there is a good chance you don’t — you should care about this story. It’s about more than sports, and it casts Union College as a whole in an unfavorable light.
The Dutchwomen finished 2015-16 with a record of 0-28-6, becoming the first Division I women’s hockey team ever to have a winless season. (The last time a men’s team went winless was Alaska-Fairbanks in 1980-81). Union also holds the Division I hockey record for most consecutive games without a win: 51 and counting, dating back to December 2014.
Despite all this, Union athletic director Jim McLaughlin confirmed Saturday night that coach Claudia Asano Barcomb will return next season. Why? Part of it has to do with having one year left on her deal.
“Claudia Asano Barcomb next [season] is going into the final year of a four-year contract,” McLaughlin told The Daily Gazette. “Claudia will be here. She is under contract until the summer of ’17.”
McLaughlin would not reveal the terms of Asano Barcomb’s deal. He said the contract is part of the reason for her return, but added “that’s not the whole story.”
Here is the rest of the story: After nine years in SchenČectady, she is 36-236-32 overall (.171 winning percentage). Her teams are 9-169-20 in ECAC Hockey. Her Dutchwomen have never won more than nine games in a season. Asano Barcomb’s winning percentage is by far the worst among active Division I coaches with her experience, and no coach all-time who has coached as many games as her has won anywhere near as few.
“There is no doubt that I, as well as Claudia, are disappointed about this past season,” McLaughlin said.
Well, that’s . . . something.
The fact that this coach has not been replaced before, and is not being bought out and replaced now, is no longer just a hockey issue, no longer just a sports issue. It goes to something much deeper.
Her school bio page is filled with the good works she and her teams have undertaken, which is great. That aspect should be part of the collegiate sports experience.
So should winning, at least at the Division I level. And if Asano Barcomb is not fired after this historically bad season amid a historic winless streak, Union College leaves itself open to prima facie charges that it views women’s sports in a lesser light than men’s.
You can’t create a two-tiered system that leaves the impression the administration cares about men’s sports and doesn’t about women’s. Intent or not, that is the result. Players are left to suffer through careers of losing because the administration won’t be bothered to make a coaching change. Apparently, the issue here is money. That is the impression left. Play your games, girls, while we concentrate on the boys.
Wait: If they don’t fire a female coach, the school is being sexist, you ask? McLaughlin dismisses the notion. He shouldn’t.
If they don’t fire the coach with the worst record in college hockey history (look it up), it sends a message that women’s sports don’t matter, that female athletes don’t matter, that their experience — and, yes, winning is part of that experience — is irrelevant.
Protest all you want, Union College. But answer this question:
Would a coach of a men’s hockey team keep his job with this record?
McLaughlin said he couldn’t answer that question with certainty.
“Possibly, possibly not,” he said Saturday. “We assess a number of things.”
Granted, there is not much he could say given the circumstances, but that answer is laughable/absurd on its surface. Of course a coach of the men’s hockey team would have been axed — in fact, long before his record got this bad.
The same question was posed to college President Stephen Ainlay, who, through a spokesman, stated support for McLaughlin rather than answer directly.
“Coaching personnel and athletic policies are the primary responsibility of the athletic director,” Phil Wajda, director of media and public relations, said in a written response. “President Ainlay has confidence in the decisions being made and supports the goals of the department.”
Through the athletic department, Asano Barcomb declined an interview request.
There are excuses, which McLaughlin has trotted out for years in defense of the coach: There has been incremental progress; ECAC Hockey is one of the best conferences in the country; the talent pool for women’s hockey is shallower than the men’s game; the team has always been a proactive force for good in the community. All well and good.
Then there’s losing. When is enough enough?
Union just “retired” a long-time Division III football coach in John Audino, who had a history of winning before his program fell off a cliff in recent years, capped by a winless 2015. A defensible move, even if his departure could have been handled better than a press release/no comment.
But this is Division I, where the resources allocated are more extensive — as should be the expectations. What are you saying here to the women on campus? To future recruits and their parents? To players on the team? Come here for four years. You won’t win, and we don’t care if you do, but at least you get to skate under the men’s national championship banner.
The sad part is there is talent on this team that just can’t score. (The Dutchwomen did not put up more than two goals in any game this season.) Melissa Black, just a freshman, is one of the best goaltenders in college hockey. With another 50-save game Saturday in a loss to Princeton, she finished with 1,111 for the season, sixth on the all-time NCAA list. That’s one ahead of Shenae Lundberg, who made 1,110 saves for the Dutchwomen last year.
That’s not even Union’s record: Lundy Day made 1,181 saves for Union during the 2008-09 season.
All in this era of epic losing.
Yes, this is a hockey story. But it is much, much more."

Skate79
03-15-2016, 08:36 PM
Instead of quoting the below article (how about just a link to the article?), there are a couple of points that stand out.

1. The AD stating that Asano-Barcomb is back because she is under contract for one more season. Hmm. His explanation reeks of "this is it for her and we're not renewing her deal. We know it and she knows it".

2. When asked if the men's coach would survive with the same record, McLaughlin replied "Possibly, possibly not." Yeah right. Please. No men's coach would survive with this type of futility. Does he really think Union fans are simpletons? The level of disrespect for women's hockey just seems to keep going up at Union.

hab
03-15-2016, 10:20 PM
Sadly, next year could be an even bigger embarrassment for Union than this year was. The graduating class accounted for 18 of their 25 goals this year, meaning that the returning players accounted for a mere 7 goals :eek: ! Surprisingly, they do have one incoming recruit with goal scoring capability, but it still looks like the combination of complete lack of offence and a lame duck coach could result in an even tougher year than the one just witnessed.

shelfit
03-15-2016, 10:39 PM
Instead of quoting the below article (how about just a link to the article?), there are a couple of points that stand out.

1. The AD stating that Asano-Barcomb is back because she is under contract for one more season. Hmm. His explanation reeks of "this is it for her and we're not renewing her deal. We know it and she knows it".

2. When asked if the men's coach would survive with the same record, McLaughlin replied "Possibly, possibly not." Yeah right. Please. No men's coach would survive with this type of futility. Does he really think Union fans are simpletons? The level of disrespect for women's hockey just seems to keep going up at Union.

Agree 100%. He is clearly afraid of letting her go early in case she pulls some sort of Shannon Miller move and files a lawsuit of some kind. He's taking the very safe road out by letting her fulfill her full contract term but rest assured that will be the end for her at Union and probably in the world of college coaching too. He is merely allowing her to go through the motions by letting her keep her job through next season.

HockeyEast33
03-15-2016, 10:59 PM
Agree 100%. He is clearly afraid of letting her go early in case she pulls some sort of Shannon Miller move and files a lawsuit of some kind. He's taking the very safe road out by letting her fulfill her full contract term but rest assured that will be the end for her at Union and probably in the world of college coaching too. He is merely allowing her to go through the motions by letting her keep her job through next season.

I don't think they are concerned about her pulling a Shannon Miller. They simply don't want to buy her out of the contract because they'll end paying two salaries this season and that isn't in the budget.

D2D
03-16-2016, 01:03 AM
I don't think they are concerned about her pulling a Shannon Miller. They simply don't want to buy her out of the contract because they'll end paying two salaries this season and that isn't in the budget.
I agree that this is a much more likely scenario.

HockeyEast33
03-16-2016, 05:40 PM
I agree that this is a much more likely scenario.

Finances rule.

shelfit
03-16-2016, 08:34 PM
Finances rule.

Except in men's hockey where winning is an important factor. It would be nice if it was the same in women's hockey. Lot of lame duck coaches out there in D1 and D3.

giwan
03-16-2016, 08:36 PM
Except in men's hockey where winning is an important factor. It would be nice if it was the same in women's hockey. Lot of lame duck coaches out there in D1 and D3.

Care to name them?

HockeyEast33
03-16-2016, 09:20 PM
Except in men's hockey where winning is an important factor. It would be nice if it was the same in women's hockey. Lot of lame duck coaches out there in D1 and D3.

Women's hockey doesn't generate enough revenue to justify buying out coach contracts. That's why lots of coaches are on year to year contracts.

Skate79
03-17-2016, 05:02 PM
Sadly, next year could be an even bigger embarrassment for Union than this year was. The graduating class accounted for 18 of their 25 goals this year, meaning that the returning players accounted for a mere 7 goals :eek: ! Surprisingly, they do have one incoming recruit with goal scoring capability, but it still looks like the combination of complete lack of offence and a lame duck coach could result in an even tougher year than the one just witnessed.

Ouch. One wonders how many potential recruits who were considering Union looked at Asano-Barcomb's record and wondered to themselves if she will survive their four years at the school. Getting a quality education is of course the priority but if playing D-1 hockey is also a priority for all four years, I can't help but think that some of the recruits looked for more stable coaching situations. There are no guarantees in this business but still...

shelfit
03-17-2016, 09:31 PM
Ouch. One wonders how many potential recruits who were considering Union looked at Asano-Barcomb's record and wondered to themselves if she will survive their four years at the school. Getting a quality education is of course the priority but if playing D-1 hockey is also a priority for all four years, I can't help but think that some of the recruits looked for more stable coaching situations. There are no guarantees in this business but still...

Are you kidding me?! If any parents of potential recruits read that article they might be more inclined to tell their daughters to commit to Union knowing that she's only got one more year on her contract. She's definitely gone after next year. There's no question about that which means there will be a new coach the season after next so they'd have three years under a fresh new approach and attitude. That's something to get excited about. Plus the new coach would not be able to clear house in those three years so you'd be guaranteed to play for four years.

ushockey
03-19-2016, 07:33 AM
I would certainly hope that the optimism she is going to be replaced is correct BUT this AD gave Asano-Barcomb a new 4 year contract after a six year record with a winning percentage of under .15. At this point I don't see why they have retained this AD unless Union truly doesn't care enough about having a sexist reputation. Maybe they are trying to justify keeping this coach because she is a woman? If so that is an even worse situation to me.

giwan
03-19-2016, 08:04 AM
I would certainly hope that the optimism she is going to be replaced is correct BUT this AD gave Asano-Barcomb a new 4 year contract after a six year record with a winning percentage of under .15. At this point I don't see why they have retained this AD unless Union truly doesn't care enough about having a sexist reputation. Maybe they are trying to justify keeping this coach because she is a woman? If so that is an even worse situation to me.

This seems a classic Title IX issue. Right from the days of its inception. Yale rowing team being treated like second class to the men.

Flarrow
03-20-2016, 01:09 PM
So, if you want to leave the page and go to the original source: http://www.concordy.com/sports/2016/03/gazette-chides-college-for-hockey-coach/
If you'd rather just read the article from the Union student paper, and read the AD's defensive response, here it is:
Gazette chides college for hockey coach
By Rachel Clarey - Sports Editor
CONCORDIA The Student Newspaper of Union College Mar 3, 2016
On Feb. 23, the Daily Gazette published a column entitled “Union College: Act like women’s hockey matters.” The piece condemned Union for its decision to keep Women’s Ice Hockey Coach Claudia Asano Barcomb on staff despite her consistently abysmal record and stated that the school is treating men’s and women’s hockey unequally.
The piece was written by Mark McGuire, executive sports editor at the Daily Gazette, who argues in the column that the college’s decision to not fire Asano Barcomb “leaves the impression the administration cares about men’s sports and doesn’t about women’s,” and suggests that Union, “leaves itself open to prima facie charges that it views women’s sports in a lesser light than men’s.”
Athletic Director Jim McLaughlin said of McGuire’s column, “I thought it was incredibly mean spirited. There were obvious facts in there, but the tenor and delivery of the article were mean spirited.” The facts McLaughlin referred to included statistics concerning the women’s ice hockey team’s record over the past nine years under Asano Barcomb’s leadership.
The Dutchwomen finished the 2015-16 season with an overall record of 0-28-6, the program’s first winless season since its elevation to Division I in 2003. Additionally, throughout her nine-year tenure with the Dutchwomen Asano Barcomb holds an abysmal overall record of 36-236-32.
This type of result is a common denominator between women’s ice hockey coaches at Union since the team was elevated to Division I. Fred Quistgard, Union’s women’s ice hockey coach during the team’s 2003-2004 inaugural season in Division I, went 4-29-1 that season before resigning to pursue other career interests. And Tim Gerrish, the team’s coach for three seasons from 2004 until 2007, held an overall record of 12-77-2. [ Note added: Qiistgard’s team was primarily D-3 players; Gerrish’s teams were transitioning from D-3 to D-1 by recruiting each year; his final year I believe he still had seniors from the D-3 years.]
According to McLaughlin, “When the women’s ice hockey team was elevated to Division I during the 2003-2004 season, they were thrust into the ECAC, college hockey’s most competitive league in the country. We are really proud to be members of ECAC Hockey because all of the league’s members sponsor both men’s and women’s teams.”
McLaughlin said that, additionally, “There are a lot of other reasons the team is struggling. For example, the pool of women’s hockey players is a lot smaller than the men’s pool. If you look at USA Hockey’s most recent figures, there are about 110,000 high school aged men and only about 13,000 high school aged women playing hockey.”
He noted that the fact that Union does not offer athletic scholarships puts the college at a disadvantage when recruiting for the women’s hockey team. He said, “Teams like Minnesota, Boston University and Boston College are scholarship schools so they are able to recruit the best players. However, on the men’s side, after the top schools finish recruiting there is still a significant pool of athletes left over, while on the women’s side the pool is substantially smaller. Also since Union is a non-scholarship school, playing here comes with a real commitment from families.”
McLaughlin also referenced the team’s incremental progress over Asano Barcomb’s term. “Over Claudia’s first several years, I was very pleased with the team’s progress. [really?!] The culture was changing,” said McLaughlin, “At the end of the 2012-2013 season the team had acquired seven wins, the most in program history at that time. The next year, the team secured nine wins. Of course, Claudia and I are both disappointed with the team’s performance this year and we want to see better results for the women, but there have been some unforeseen difficulties this season, including some injuries to individuals the team was counting on to score.”
“The men struggled early as well,” added McLaughlin. The men’s ice hockey team was elevated to Division 1 in the 1991-1992 season. In their inaugural season, the team’s overall record was 3-21-1 and over the next nine years, the team lost more games than it won in every season except two — the 1993-1994 season and the 1996-1997 season.
And, in their first nine years playing as a Division I squad, the Dutchmen had only three separate coaches, similar to the Dutchwomen’s current situation. Only in the past six years has the men’s ice hockey team enjoyed resounding success, including three Cleary Cups and an NCAA National Championship.
So, it took the men’s ice hockey team nearly 20 years to develop into the national powerhouse it is today. Comparing the men’s and women’s programs, as McGuire does in his column, is difficult simply due to the difference in time each team has been around for, and therefore, the time each team has had to develop to its full potential.
In his column, McGuire also makes a comparison between the women’s ice hockey program and the men’s football program, referencing the fact that longtime Men’s Football Coach John Audino unexpectedly retired at the beginning of this year after a string of losing seasons. Audino had been head coach of the men’s football team for 24 years, and the football team played its first game on Nov. 11, 1886.
In contrast, Asano Barcomb just completed her ninth season as head coach — only the third coach in the women’s ice hockey team’s 13-year existence as a Division I squad — making comparison between the football and women’s hockey teams difficult as well.
McGuire’s statement that the issue may open the college up to “charges that it views women’s sports in a lesser light than men’s” — potentially implying a Title IX violation — also proves difficult to substantiate. According to the NCAA, Title IX requires equal provision of coaching between men’s and women’s teams. The criteria used to evaluate equitable provision of coaching are the coaches’ availability and assignment.
Unequal availability would be demonstrated by a team from one gender being forced to rely more on part-time and assistant coaches while the opposite gendered team had a full-time staff, and unequal assignment would be demonstrated by one gender having an inexperienced coach while the opposite gender had a very experienced coach.
Regarding these criteria, both the men’s and women’s hockey programs at Union have four coaches, one head coach, one associate head coach, one assistant coach and one volunteer assistant coach, and all of these coaches hold formidable qualifications and experience for their respective roles.
Barcomb was an assistant coach at Harvard University for five years before Union hired her as the women’s hockey head coach, and she served a four-year term as a member of the NCAA Rules Committee. Men’s Ice Hockey Head Coach Rick Bennett was an assistant coach for the men’s hockey team at Union for six years before being named head coach, and he served as an assistant coach at Providence for five years before that. [Is this meant to suggest that Bennett had equivalent skills & experience?]
McLaughlin went on to state, “When we evaluate our programs, there is a lot more we look at than just wins and losses. We look at progress, and sometimes that progress is very incremental. We also look at the team’s academic and personal accomplishments. These student-athletes are here to get a world-class education. We are looking for student-athletes who work hard and excel in the classroom, on the field and in the community.” [ So Barcomb is doin’ just fine, Jim?]
“I was beyond disappointed in several of McGuire’s comments. Two lines in particular included when he said, ‘If you couldn’t care less about Union women’s hockey — and there’s a good chance you don’t,’ and when he suggested that Union had no concern for women’s athletics. Those were just mean-spirited. We value the accomplishments of all of our student-athletes at Union, men and women, and we are especially proud of the accomplishments of our women’s teams, including the recent success of volleyball, basketball, lacrosse and individuals in track and swimming,” [notice which women’s team is missing?] added McLaughlin, “It’s very easy to evaluate the situation from the outside.”

LetsGoU123
03-20-2016, 04:50 PM
It's so easy to criticize behind a computer screen night after night. You have always had an extreme hatred for the Coach and the program. As alums, we always laughed at whoever this "Flarrow" goon is. But enough is enough. Lets take a step back here- This forum was created for fans to get together and be able to talk about the Union College Dutchwomen 2015-2016. Not to bash the program, the AD, the coach, whoever else you feel like that day. If you'd like to do that, please go do it on another page- maybe the "Coaches in danger". But think - Would you really say all these things to coach's face? Would you want your D reading all of this about you? Post by post you're loosing so much respect in the Union community.

Moving forward, Messa is getting a major renovation with some emphasis on the facilities for the women's team. That will help with recruits. Big schools are recruiting earlier and earlier now hitting commitments when kids are in 9th and 10th grade. This is great for Union and this landscape has only just started to happen so they're only going to just start seeing the effects of it. There are many late bloomers that will be much easier for Union to compete to get with the big schools already having their recruiting classes filled. These blue chip players are the style of player Union needs, this is a very similar style of recruiting as to what the men's team has done.

There's a natural goal scorer coming in next year that will help the team. This year's senior class although small, has some good leadership. Along with a solid goalie, this should help the team if they can play to one drum. Here's the 2016-2017!

Skate79
03-20-2016, 08:12 PM
Are you kidding me?! If any parents of potential recruits read that article they might be more inclined to tell their daughters to commit to Union knowing that she's only got one more year on her contract. She's definitely gone after next year. There's no question about that which means there will be a new coach the season after next so they'd have three years under a fresh new approach and attitude. That's something to get excited about. Plus the new coach would not be able to clear house in those three years so you'd be guaranteed to play for four years.

No I'm not kidding. Just ask the Brown recruits how they feel about continuing their losing ways. Bourbeau leaves and they can't find an established women's coach to replace her choosing instead someone from their administration. Doesn't look like they have a 'fresh new approach and attitude'. Seems like more of the same. Look, I'm not advocating that Asano-Barcomb be retained. I'm interpreting the AD's remarks as 'she's gone after her contract is up'. My argument is that if I'm a potential recruit, I'm looking for a situation that has some stability and upward momentum. Neither exists within the Union program at the moment.

pucko
03-22-2016, 06:31 AM
In reality, does anyone think that there's a coach out there who can come in and make this program a national contender? Are we saying we want Union to be at that level, or just not in the basement? There are clearly challenges - the biggest one being lack of scholarship. How would you convince a Potomak-type player to come play for you, pay whatever the cost, when she can go somewhere else for free (and win)? I'm not saying Barcomb is the answer, but what are the alternatives for the next person to come in and be successful? The past few years, I have watched Union go after top D3 level kids and, unfortunately, that is probably who would be most attracted to playing there - kids who can say they played D1 because they aren't scholarship worthy at other schools and MAYBE can't get into an Ivy school. So maybe they don't care as much about winning as the kids who attend the better hockey schools? I don't know. While we can vilify Barcomb for her losing record, let's really get to the meat and potatoes of the situation and ask ourselves - can Union ever be successful at D1? And by success, I'll say finish about .500 on a regular basis. Can you take a Brad Frost, move him to Union, and have him get the same quality players?

shelfit
03-22-2016, 09:51 AM
In reality, does anyone think that there's a coach out there who can come in and make this program a national contender? Are we saying we want Union to be at that level, or just not in the basement? There are clearly challenges - the biggest one being lack of scholarship. How would you convince a Potomak-type player to come play for you, pay whatever the cost, when she can go somewhere else for free (and win)? I'm not saying Barcomb is the answer, but what are the alternatives for the next person to come in and be successful? The past few years, I have watched Union go after top D3 level kids and, unfortunately, that is probably who would be most attracted to playing there - kids who can say they played D1 because they aren't scholarship worthy at other schools and MAYBE can't get into an Ivy school. So maybe they don't care as much about winning as the kids who attend the better hockey schools? I don't know. While we can vilify Barcomb for her losing record, let's really get to the meat and potatoes of the situation and ask ourselves - can Union ever be successful at D1? And by success, I'll say finish about .500 on a regular basis. Can you take a Brad Frost, move him to Union, and have him get the same quality players?

You're repeating what many of us have already said before. Union will not be a competitive team in D1 no matter who the coach is even if it's Brad Frost, they have higher end D3 players, and the school/athletics department needs to decide if they care about this program. Was the previous coach fired or did he leave on his own? They don't have a choice but to fire her after next season otherwise they'll lose the program because if they sign her to a new contract that will really send the message that they don't care about the program and even the higher end D3 recruits will stop coming. Why go to Union to be on a D3 level team when you can go to a NESCAC school and actually compete for something like a playoff spot, a conference title, and a spot in the NCAA tournament?!