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hockeydad09
02-23-2016, 09:50 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ICYMI: Would a men's hockey coach at <a href="https://twitter.com/UnionAthletics">@UnionAthletics</a> be fired with this record? (Free link.) <a href="https://t.co/imLGosIBKv">https://t.co/imLGosIBKv</a> <a href="https://t.co/dpbjSYdLaf">pic.twitter.com/dpbjSYdLaf</a></p>&mdash; Daily Gazette Sports (@dgazettesports) <a href="https://twitter.com/dgazettesports/status/702162280323088385">February 23, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Well, obviously the women's coach doesn't get fired either with this record. Barcomb is laughing all the way to the bank.
It is a sad sad situation for the players. Nothing like playing for the worst coach in history. I honestly can't imagine how the AD sleeps at night!

joecct
02-23-2016, 09:57 PM
Nope. :D

IMHO the thing which would most likely cause RPI to leave D-I men's and women's hockey would cause the other D-III schools to also leave -- namely play-ups not being allowed by either D-I or D-III rules.

If it did happen (and I think it will if more FBS schools start offering hockey), the Liberty Hockey League is one kick-arse hockey league.

Call It
02-23-2016, 10:10 PM
Ok fire the coach then what? I predict that even if Frost or MJ took over this program that the results would be the same, no playoffs. Who would be the next coach to turn a non ivy, non scholarship school with a ****ty rink in a crappy town around? WHO?

Let's look at the bigger picture. There are to many teams for the amount of talent out there. The U18 National Team players go to a small % of schools and the rest or left to fend for themselves. Lots of comparisons to the Men's side but it's not a great comp. Look at the # of boys playing hockey compared to the # of NCAA teams compared to the girls.

Why aren't people calling for the Yale's coach head like Claudia's? Yale sucks and it's Yale!!! Brown will also be same for years to come.

vicb
02-24-2016, 04:44 AM
Nope. :D

IMHO the thing which would most likely cause RPI to leave D-I men's and women's hockey would cause the other D-III schools to also leave -- namely play-ups not being allowed by either D-I or D-III rules.

Bingo on that. And if that would happen to Clarkson, I would probably not follow college hockey at all.

Ralph Baer
02-24-2016, 06:48 AM
If it did happen (and I think it will if more FBS schools start offering hockey), the Liberty Hockey League is one kick-arse hockey league.

How long would that last? The better players would immediately transfer out and no others would come.


Bingo on that. And if that would happen to Clarkson, I would probably not follow college hockey at all.

Agreed.

joecct
02-24-2016, 10:38 AM
How long would that last? The better players would immediately transfer out and no others would come.



Agreed.
D-III hockey is not as bad as you think. There is a greater disparity in talent from top to bottom depending on the resources one devotes to the program. The barns are not as nice as D-I, but it's a lot more fun.

Watch a home game from Oswego State on WTOP-10. You'd never know it was a D-III program. Yet if you watched a Clarkson broadcast on WCKN, the best I could describe it as "amateurish".

Don't sell D-III hockey short. If our alma maters were booted from D1, I'd still watch. Green and Gold will always flow in my veins (does that make me a Vulcan?)

HockeyEast33
02-24-2016, 10:49 AM
Ok fire the coach then what? I predict that even if Frost or MJ took over this program that the results would be the same, no playoffs. Who would be the next coach to turn a non ivy, non scholarship school with a ****ty rink in a crappy town around? WHO?

Let's look at the bigger picture. There are to many teams for the amount of talent out there. The U18 National Team players go to a small % of schools and the rest or left to fend for themselves. Lots of comparisons to the Men's side but it's not a great comp. Look at the # of boys playing hockey compared to the # of NCAA teams compared to the girls.

Why aren't people calling for the Yale's coach head like Claudia's? Yale sucks and it's Yale!!! Brown will also be same for years to come.

I agree - Frost and MJ would be poor fits for Union - wouldn't have the slightest idea how to recruit in an environment where HS players aren't pounding on their door every day. But there are coaches out there who can be successful. Union was horrible on the men's side for many years until they found the right guy for the situation and worked the admission policy (actually, a couple of guys). I'm not suggesting that they can win national championships, but they can be competitive on the women's side.

If you go to the Coaches at Risk thread you will see that Yale was added to the list. Brown just changed coaches after many years of a disinterested Murphy and 4 years of an overwhelmed Bourbeau. You're right, it will take a while for Brown to get out of its trough and I don't know if the current coach can pull it off, but it can be done there and at Yale and at Union...

FiveHoleFrenzy
02-24-2016, 02:39 PM
I agree - Frost and MJ would be poor fits for Union - wouldn't have the slightest idea how to recruit in an environment where HS players aren't pounding on their door every day. But there are coaches out there who can be successful. Union was horrible on the men's side for many years until they found the right guy for the situation and worked the admission policy (actually, a couple of guys). I'm not suggesting that they can win national championships, but they can be competitive on the women's side.

If you go to the Coaches at Risk thread you will see that Yale was added to the list. Brown just changed coaches after many years of a disinterested Murphy and 4 years of an overwhelmed Bourbeau. You're right, it will take a while for Brown to get out of its trough and I don't know if the current coach can pull it off, but it can be done there and at Yale and at Union...

I think Frost also uses a windowless van with free skates hand painted on the side, broadcasting subliminal messages, to get HS players that don't come pounding on his door. ;)

123kidd
02-24-2016, 08:35 PM
Well, obviously the women's coach doesn't get fired either with this record. Barcomb is laughing all the way to the bank.
It is a sad sad situation for the players. Nothing like playing for the worst coach in history. I honestly can't imagine how the AD sleeps at night!

Again, the players knew this coming in. They should have been well aware of the record and lack of success at Union. They "signed" up for this, and now have a Bauer warm up suit from a "DI" school.
Maybe they have a degree in the end...

Skate79
02-24-2016, 09:41 PM
Again, the players knew this coming in. They should have been well aware of the record and lack of success at Union. They "signed" up for this, and now have a Bauer warm up suit from a "DI" school.
Maybe they have a degree in the end...

Maybe they signed up because no one else wanted them? You don't go 0 for the season if you are on the radar screens of Wisconsin, Minnesota or BC as recruits.

What Union needs more than anything is to get a class that has three or four blue chip superstars. I'm talking Ruggiero, Carpenter, or Poulin. These players attract other good players and set the tone attitude wise that winning is all that matters. The Yale men did this with Arcobello and his classmates and that eventually led to a national championship. Same with the Union men and Gostisbehere. Players like that don't come around often and in women's hockey, much less so. The last real superstar that Harvard recruited was Sarah Vaillancourt. Getting players like that on a regular basis is a pipe dream for us. As it is for the other Ivies. You can see what's happening at Dartmouth; they are trending down and it may cost Hudak his job. The combination of strict academic standards, no athletic scholarships and high tuition makes it challenging to recruit and field winning teams year in and year out. Not making excuses for Asano-Barcomb but that is the reality for some D-1 schools.

shelfit
02-24-2016, 11:24 PM
Maybe they signed up because no one else wanted them? You don't go 0 for the season if you are on the radar screens of Wisconsin, Minnesota or BC as recruits.

What Union needs more than anything is to get a class that has three or four blue chip superstars. I'm talking Ruggiero, Carpenter, or Poulin. These players attract other good players and set the tone attitude wise that winning is all that matters. The Yale men did this with Arcobello and his classmates and that eventually led to a national championship. Same with the Union men and Gostisbehere. Players like that don't come around often and in women's hockey, much less so. The last real superstar that Harvard recruited was Sarah Vaillancourt. Getting players like that on a regular basis is a pipe dream for us. As it is for the other Ivies. You can see what's happening at Dartmouth; they are trending down and it may cost Hudak his job. The combination of strict academic standards, no athletic scholarships and high tuition makes it challenging to recruit and field winning teams year in and year out. Not making excuses for Asano-Barcomb but that is the reality for some D-1 schools.

I have said much the same thing in the past. With no offense to any players past or present, this has been and still is a team consisting mostly of players that would have done well on D3 teams like Amherst, Middlebury, Norwich, Elmira, and Plattsburgh. Call them low end D1 players if you like but basically the same thing. These players have the opportunity to play D1 hockey and get a great education. Not a bad thing but the reality is they aren't too different from a team like Sacred Heart from a competitive point of view. Sacred Heart is a D1 team in official designation only and get beaten routinely by D3 teams. Union isn't too different except I think they'd be much more successful against D3 opponents than Sacred Heart but you get the point. You could say Brown is in the same boat right now too. To repeat myself from a previous post, I agree with so many others that Asano-Barcomb is unimpressive at best as a head coach but she's also in a very difficult recruiting situation because of Union's unique challenges to compete for high end prospects. She has to have enough players to field a proper team each year so she ultimately has to settle for lower end players that actually want to go to Union. Not an easy situation at all. That being said, her bench coaching abilities leave a lot to be desired from what I've seen. I'd like to be a fly on the wall to see what her practices are like but I'm guessing they're not great since she's not getting her team to get the job done during games.

P.S. Hudak has already resigned from his position at Dartmouth.

hab
02-24-2016, 11:49 PM
I have said much the same thing in the past. With no offense to any players past or present, this has been and still is a team consisting mostly of players that would have done well on D3 teams like Amherst, Middlebury, Norwich, Elmira, and Plattsburgh. Call them low end D1 players if you like but basically the same thing. These players have the opportunity to play D1 hockey and get a great education. Not a bad thing but the reality is they aren't too different from a team like Sacred Heart from a competitive point of view. Sacred Heart is a D1 team in official designation only and get beaten routinely by D3 teams. Union isn't too different except I think they'd be much more successful against D3 opponents than Sacred Heart but you get the point. You could say Brown is in the same boat right now too. To repeat myself from a previous post, I agree with so many others that Asano-Barcomb is unimpressive at best as a head coach but she's also in a very difficult recruiting situation because of Union's unique challenges to compete for high end prospects. She has to have enough players to field a proper team each year so she ultimately has to settle for lower end players that actually want to go to Union. Not an easy situation at all. That being said, her bench coaching abilities leave a lot to be desired from what I've seen. I'd like to be a fly on the wall to see what her practices are like but I'm guessing they're not great since she's not getting her team to get the job done during games.

P.S. Hudak has already resigned from his position at Dartmouth.

C'mon folks let's say something new here or move along!

shelfit
02-25-2016, 12:10 AM
C'mon folks let's say something new here or move along!

Because what you just posted was soooooo original and insightful and added immensely to the conversation.

hab
02-25-2016, 12:26 AM
Because what you just posted was soooooo original and insightful and added immensely to the conversation.

Thanks! That's the way I saw it as well.

shelfit
02-25-2016, 12:48 AM
Thanks! That's the way I saw it as well.

Your candelabra has all but burnt out.

Call It
02-25-2016, 06:37 AM
I think Frost also uses a windowless van with free skates hand painted on the side, broadcasting subliminal messages, to get HS players that don't come pounding on his door. ;)

I thought that was Frost driving that van around my house last summer, I told my wife not to call the cops but :rolleyes:

Flarrow
02-25-2016, 02:51 PM
So...to move this along. Who might be a good post-Barcomb coach to do some rebuilding at Union?
I'll throw two NY Thuway names out to get it going; who knows if they'd be interested or available..
Gary Heenan (Utica) ....Jeff Halpern (Syracuse Crunch)

hab
02-25-2016, 04:53 PM
So...to move this along. Who might be a good post-Barcomb coach to do some rebuilding at Union?
I'll throw two NY Thuway names out to get it going; who knows if they'd be interested or available..
Gary Heenan (Utica) ....Jeff Halpern (Syracuse Crunch)

If you are looking for someone who can turn around a team in one year: former Syracuse Asst Coach, Graham Thomas: http://www.canadawest.org/sports/wice/2012-13/releases/WHOCKEY_0306133851.html. Probably not available, but I know from personal experience that he is something special when it comes to developing skills and spirit in women's hockey players.

headsup
02-25-2016, 06:14 PM
So...to move this along. Who might be a good post-Barcomb coach to do some rebuilding at Union?
I'll throw two NY Thuway names out to get it going; who knows if they'd be interested or available..
Gary Heenan (Utica) ....Jeff Halpern (Syracuse Crunch)

Heenan already had the Men's job here and lost it in 3 days!

shelfit
02-25-2016, 09:26 PM
If you are looking for someone who can turn around a team in one year: former Syracuse Asst Coach, Graham Thomas: http://www.canadawest.org/sports/wice/2012-13/releases/WHOCKEY_0306133851.html. Probably not available, but I know from personal experience that he is something special when it comes to developing skills and spirit in women's hockey players.

I don't see him leaving his current post. Your last line is laughable at best. Do you have any idea what lead to his departure from Syracuse?! There are certain lines you can't cross with your players. Special is not the operative word in his case.