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  • #556
    Re: Wisconsin Hockey Recruiting Vol. XXXIV: Go pick me out a winner, Strand

    Originally posted by oldicecoach View Post
    +/- might not have much value over a weekend series, but it is significant at the end of a season. Especially when a player is -10 greater than the rest of the team.
    Yes and no. Still is situational. K Schulze was far and away the leader in minus the previous year but not because he was the worst defender. Soleway and Davison both took a fair number of GA due to others mistakes as well. Jed was often on the point of the forecheck and completely out of a scoring line rush against play, and Davison was many times hung out to dry with Jurusic on a neutral zone turnover. Which isn't to say that they are particularly good defenders, because they're not. Just that +/- is a small and can be a misleading part of the story. You can be a traffic cone as a D, but if you're out with the top line a lot, your +/- isn't going to look too bad.

    I think TJK is right. If Jed just works hard on playing in front of the net on the PP, ups his cardio and skating a bit, and can manage to play within himself, his value as a faceoff specialist is huge and I think it's going to be really hard to justify sitting him no matter how skilled the new guys are.

    With Timmy- well he's improved from "I just don't think you can play that guy" to "we can maybe live with him" defensively. He's gifted with the puck on his stick. He needs to maybe find a Tom Gilbert highlight tape and just watch it over and over a million times, as Tommy was one of the best we ever had at positioning and playing the body as though the puck didn't exist. Oz can help him. He's got the ability to do it.
    Originally posted by WiscTJK
    I'm with Wisko and Tim.
    Originally posted by Timothy A
    Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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    • #557
      Re: Wisconsin Hockey Recruiting Vol. XXXIV: Go pick me out a winner, Strand

      Originally posted by bucky15 View Post

      I can't remember who has the links to the recruiting breakdown over the next few years. Can someone post that again? Thanks!
      You can't remember??? For shame.



      ALL HAIL gwhinwi! Keeper of the Sacred Scrolls of Recruiting!


      Which can be found here, btw: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...=2&pli=1#gid=0
      Originally posted by WiscTJK
      I'm with Wisko and Tim.
      Originally posted by Timothy A
      Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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      • #558
        Re: Wisconsin Hockey Recruiting Vol. XXXIV: Go pick me out a winner, Strand

        Why is Baker marked for another year out?

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        • #559
          Re: Wisconsin Hockey Recruiting Vol. XXXIV: Go pick me out a winner, Strand

          Originally posted by Bonin21 View Post
          Why is Baker marked for another year out?
          At this point does it really matter? Sure he's coming in, but nobody really knows what's going to happen with so many players possible on the roster and some unsigned NLI's going out there. And we are technically headless until Detroit is out of the playoffs. They could keep everyone, they could bring in more, or cut it back a whole lot. Or likely some combination of those. Anybody's guess at this point.
          Originally posted by WiscTJK
          I'm with Wisko and Tim.
          Originally posted by Timothy A
          Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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          • #560
            Re: Wisconsin Hockey Recruiting Vol. XXXIV: Go pick me out a winner, Strand

            Originally posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
            You can't remember??? For shame.



            ALL HAIL gwhinwi! Keeper of the Sacred Scrolls of Recruiting!


            Which can be found here, btw: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...=2&pli=1#gid=0
            Thanks for the praise. It's a fun project.

            Originally posted by Bonin21 View Post
            Why is Baker marked for another year out?
            I've heard from people that he is marked down for 2017. Might change now, but that's what I have at this point.
            Last edited by gwhinwi; 04-02-2016, 07:01 PM.
            Wisconsin Hockey Recruiting spreadsheet (both Men's and Women's)

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            • #561
              Re: Wisconsin Hockey Recruiting Vol. XXXIV: Go pick me out a winner, Strand

              What do our defense pairings look like for next year? If there's one area that has fallen off drastically it's there.

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              • #562
                Re: Wisconsin Hockey Recruiting Vol. XXXIV: Go pick me out a winner, Strand

                Originally posted by gwhinwi View Post
                Thanks for the praise. It's a fun project.



                I've heard from people that he is marked down for 2017. Might change now, but that's what I have at this point.
                I'd guess 2016. He de-committed from Minnesota because he didn't want to wait until 2017. As Wisko pointed out, it all may be up in the air with the new staff anyway.

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                • #563
                  Originally posted by DPlaya View Post
                  I'd guess 2016. He de-committed from Minnesota because he didn't want to wait until 2017. As Wisko pointed out, it all may be up in the air with the new staff anyway.
                  At this point, one has to assume none of the RS players will get a 5th year.

                  With any coaching change you have some roster attrition, with 23-24 forwards lined up for next year where most TEAMS normally only carry 26-28 players, I'd suspect that 4-6 current forwards will be looking for other playing opportunities for next fall.

                  The only way to balance out the classes is to have some short term pain (either over-recruiting or under-recruiting). Given the level of departures, almost all classes will need to be 5 forwards deep to keep <15 forwards on the roster at all times.

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                  • #564
                    Originally posted by gwhinwi View Post
                    Thanks for the praise. It's a fun project.



                    I've heard from people that he is marked down for 2017. Might change now, but that's what I have at this point.
                    Recruiting charts are awesome....thank you

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                    • #565
                      Re: Wisconsin Hockey Recruiting Vol. XXXIV: Go pick me out a winner, Strand

                      In reality I don't suppose it matters much what happens with borderline guys. There's no real limit on how many walk-ons you can carry as far as I know. Can keep them all on easily enough as UW can handle the costs without any problem. The real issue is how the staff goes about managing scholarships. You have Eddie and Kevin's ... and after that it gets pretty hard to say what they have to play with. If adding another high end player or two is even possible, (and which you really would like to have in this class) the $$ has to come from somewhere. And that is going to be the difficult part to work out.
                      Originally posted by WiscTJK
                      I'm with Wisko and Tim.
                      Originally posted by Timothy A
                      Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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                      • #566
                        Re: Wisconsin Hockey Recruiting Vol. XXXIV: Go pick me out a winner, Strand

                        Originally posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
                        In reality I don't suppose it matters much what happens with borderline guys. There's no real limit on how many walk-ons you can carry as far as I know. Can keep them all on easily enough as UW can handle the costs without any problem. The real issue is how the staff goes about managing scholarships. You have Eddie and Kevin's ... and after that it gets pretty hard to say what they have to play with. If adding another high end player or two is even possible, (and which you really would like to have in this class) the $$ has to come from somewhere. And that is going to be the difficult part to work out.
                        That's why I wondered about LOI's. The easiest way to find scholarship money is going to be to not bring someone in.

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                        • #567
                          Re: Wisconsin Hockey Recruiting Vol. XXXIV: Go pick me out a winner, Strand

                          Originally posted by DPlaya View Post
                          That's why I wondered about LOI's. The easiest way to find scholarship money is going to be to not bring someone in.
                          Yes... but it is it even there to reclaim? I don't even know. I'd guess Frederic and Zimmer would be 90%, so there's Eddie and Kevin's spots. Baker and maybe Vance might rate a pretty good chunk normally. Labosky? Not sure. Not sure on Berkovitz or Astren either but it would probably be small, so axing them doesn't give you much help. If you choose to maybe bring in Parsells to bolster the D he probably rates something decent, too. In any case, 4 D have to come in. So bringing in a Greenway or a Ross Colton... well, there's a question as to how you could go about it. I haven't sat down and tried to sort out who might be getting what as it stands. Anybody wants to take a stab at that, I'm all for hearing any thoughts.
                          Originally posted by WiscTJK
                          I'm with Wisko and Tim.
                          Originally posted by Timothy A
                          Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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                          • #568
                            Re: Wisconsin Hockey Recruiting Vol. XXXIV: Go pick me out a winner, Strand

                            Originally posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
                            Yes... but it is it even there to reclaim? I don't even know. I'd guess Frederic and Zimmer would be 90%, so there's Eddie and Kevin's spots. Baker and maybe Vance might rate a pretty good chunk normally. Labosky? Not sure. Not sure on Berkovitz or Astren either but it would probably be small, so axing them doesn't give you much help. If you choose to maybe bring in Parsells to bolster the D he probably rates something decent, too. In any case, 4 D have to come in. So bringing in a Greenway or a Ross Colton... well, there's a question as to how you could go about it. I haven't sat down and tried to sort out who might be getting what as it stands. Anybody wants to take a stab at that, I'm all for hearing any thoughts.
                            here's where we really need Chuck/Andy. I couldn't begin to guess what the scholly breakdown is right now.

                            The set of forwards on the roster look pretty **** good IF Frederic and Baker come in with Zimmer.

                            On defense, I have no doubt OZ can make some of the current guys much better than they have been in terms of positioning but they really do need to find 2 studs (possibly more) to come in and assist immediately. Who those kids could be I have no idea
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                            • #569
                              Re: Wisconsin Hockey Recruiting Vol. XXXIV: Go pick me out a winner, Strand

                              Originally posted by solovsfett View Post
                              here's where we really need Chuck/Andy. I couldn't begin to guess what the scholly breakdown is right now.

                              The set of forwards on the roster look pretty **** good IF Frederic and Baker come in with Zimmer.

                              On defense, I have no doubt OZ can make some of the current guys much better than they have been in terms of positioning but they really do need to find 2 studs (possibly more) to come in and assist immediately. Who those kids could be I have no idea
                              I think I remember trying to sort it out a couple years ago and even with Andy's input we had a pretty difficult time with it. The only thing that's clear is two Seniors left that were on basically full rides. When I glance down the roster I think they must have some more $$ in hand, but just how much is a bit of a mystery.

                              Unfortunately, just like in the NHL, stud D are at a premium and it's especially hard to find many with 6 months to go.
                              Originally posted by WiscTJK
                              I'm with Wisko and Tim.
                              Originally posted by Timothy A
                              Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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                              • #570
                                Re: Wisconsin Hockey Recruiting Vol. XXXIV: Go pick me out a winner, Strand

                                You guys want a junior 6'5" second round draft pick defenseman? We'll even petition the NCAA to let him play next year instead of sitting a year.

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