I don't know about the rest of you but I'm getting tired of seeing basically the same programs making it to the NCAA playoffs every year at both the D1 and D3 levels. What will it take to see much more new blood in the NCAA post-season? This is intended to be a serious discussion. Sarcastic responses are easy so please try to be productive and add to the discussion.
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Re: What is it going to take to see more new / different teams in the NCAA tournament
Originally posted by kwhrs1 View PostWait, Wait, let me guess. They put together better teams? Just guessing.
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over time the number of players with high skills increase, it becomes difficult for the top teams to make claim to the best since there are more available than they can put on their team
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Re: What is it going to take to see more new / different teams in the NCAA tournament
If you can swing it, relocate to the WCHA...
Lure Mark Johnson or Brad Frost away from their current teams...
Build a women's only hockey facility...
Buy a skating treadmill...
Don't schedule so many cupcakes...See the first suggestion...
And last but not least...Recruit more Minnesota kids.At the outset, we could hang with the dude...
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Originally posted by shelfit View PostI don't know about the rest of you but I'm getting tired of seeing basically the same programs making it to the NCAA playoffs every year at both the D1 and D3 levels. What will it take to see much more new blood in the NCAA post-season? This is intended to be a serious discussion. Sarcastic responses are easy so please try to be productive and add to the discussion.
Having said that the teams that seem to make the final seem to be fairly constant over the years. Point is that there are two elements to this discussion:
- New teams advancing to the tourney. (happening even in recent years)
- The teams that end up winning. (More of the same, other than Clarkson in 2014)Last edited by OnMAA; 04-22-2015, 10:29 PM.
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Hire a coach with inside knowledge of a Big 3 program. Or better yet, hire one with inside knowledge of two such programs.
Also, pokechecker is correct:Originally posted by pokechecker View Post...over time the number of players with high skills increase, it becomes difficult for the top teams to make claim to the best since there are more available than they can put on their team
We've already moved into a second stage. Although the top gun programs remain largely the same, the star player advantage has become more of a depth advantage.
It's important to remember that this state of affairs isn't unique to Women's Hockey. Many sports had a dominant team, or small group of dominant teams, at earlier points in their history: Yankees in MLB; Celtics/Lakers in NBA; Canadiens in NHL; UCLA Bruins in Men's NCAA Hoops. The evolution may not go as quickly as some of us would like. But as time goes on, it becomes tougher and tougher to maintain the dominance.
Also, note the evolution of Women's NCAA Hoops isn't all that far ahead of us. UConn has won what -- 10 of the last 20 titles? Don't follow either Hoops tournament closely, but I think Tennessee has won a good percentage of the rest of the Women's BB crowns.
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Originally posted by pgb-ohio View Post
It's important to remember that this state of affairs isn't unique to Women's Hockey.
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Originally posted by shelfit View PostI don't know about the rest of you but I'm getting tired of seeing basically the same programs making it to the NCAA playoffs every year at both the D1 and D3 levels. What will it take to see much more new blood in the NCAA post-season? This is intended to be a serious discussion. Sarcastic responses are easy so please try to be productive and add to the discussion.
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Originally posted by pokechecker View Postyup, men's hockey was the same, today it is very difficult for the same teams to be at the top year after year
2013 - Yale
2014 - Union
2015 - Providence
Each a first time winner going all the way back to 1948 - pretty amazing. It may take just as long (67 years) before we see something similar on the women's side.Minnesota Golden Gopher Hockey
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In the past, the NCAA has dropped the number of scholarships to try to improve parity. If women's hockey had 8 scholarships instead of 18, the competition would get interesting. Won't happen, but that change would disperse the talent and make for some very tough recruiting decisions.
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I have a thought, but not sure it's right. It's based on FiveHoleFrenzy's post.
This is for ECAC and Hockey East, because I can only speak for those conferences from experience. This may work in WCHA and CHA, but those more familiar with player thinking out there will know better.
From the players I know, it seems like the formula for picking a school is: Academic Rank + Facilities Rank + Coaching Rank + Campus/Location Rank* = Desirability Score. *Campus/Location rank is a combined measure of a) desirable location and b) campus life.
So if we ranked each school 1 to 5 in each of the four areas, with 5 being best, and added them together, the sum is the Desirability Score and hence, the schools that get the best players.
This doesn't really work for Ivies, because there are two other factors - no scholarships and grades/scores. I'll address them separately.
Here's how I think it plays out here in the east:
-An example of a high desirability score: Boston College - great facilities, excellent academics, great and beautiful location, and proven coaching.
-An example of a mid-level desirability score: St Lawrence - it's all good, but their campus/location rank (location, size of school) probably adds a level of difficulty.
-Examples of lower-level scores: I think of Colgate, for example - what a great school academically and a beautiful place, but it seems that two or more other factors drag them down. I don't mean that Colgate isn't going to have an upward trajectory over the next few years, but that's the perception now, which affects recruiting (but I'd send my kid there in a minute).
The Ivies:
-High Desirability: I really think Harvard is the most desired landing spot for girls that have the grades and skills. Harvard ranks high in all 4 areas.
-Mid Desirability: Every Ivy is desirable, but in terms of hockey desirability, it's tough to beat Harvard. Anyone not named Harvard has a steep hill to the National Championship game because Harvard picks first, and everyone else fights over the rest of the eligible players.
-Low Desirability: I don't want to isolate Brown, but that school does not support it's hockey at the same level as it's peers, and it shows in this formula. The Brown players are great by the way - I know many of them and it's all good. Just an obvious problem that exists now. It can all change for the good overnight.
Sorry if I offended anyone. Just sharing a thought. I think if this is true, the winning formula out east is:
1. Build a great rink.
2. Have a nice campus, good campus life, and lucky you if you are in a desirable location.
3. Have high standards for academics.
4. Hire good coaching.
In whatever order you'd like...
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Originally posted by PuckRush View PostI think if this is true, the winning formula out east is:
1. Build a great rink.
2. Have a nice campus, good campus life, and lucky you if you are in a desirable location.
3. Have high standards for academics.
4. Hire good coaching.
In whatever order you'd like...
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Originally posted by shelfit View PostI don't know about the rest of you but I'm getting tired of seeing basically the same programs making it to the NCAA playoffs every year at both the D1 and D3 levels. What will it take to see much more new blood in the NCAA post-season? This is intended to be a serious discussion. Sarcastic responses are easy so please try to be productive and add to the discussion.
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