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WiscDC
11-12-2014, 01:38 PM
Interesting. The Badgers doubled their goal scoring last weekend. If they can just manage to continue on this trend, they will score over 49,000 goals vs. Ohio State on the weekend in March at the Kohl Center.

Don't wait, order your tickets now!

Also, if they keep improving at the same rate (based on what I saw last weekend compared to what I heard from others for the first 4 games), they're a lock for the national championship!

oldicecoach
11-12-2014, 03:14 PM
Iím detecting some sarcasmistic comments on this thread.

Itís difficult being optimistic about the Badgers right now, since they are the only D1 team in the country without a win or a tie and dead last in the PairWise rankings.

Sarcasmistic The act of being optimistic yet still being such a sarcastic bastard you make sure they know your lying.

Wisko McBadgerton
11-13-2014, 09:08 AM
I’m detecting some sarcasmistic comments on this thread.

It’s difficult being optimistic about the Badgers right now, since they are the only D1 team in the country without a win or a tie and dead last in the PairWise rankings.

Sarcasmistic The act of being optimistic yet still being such a sarcastic bastard you make sure they know your lying.

I'm stuck. If I say "I really like this post!" I just come off as a bastard.

Well then-- It's kind of ok.

Speaking of which I note Davison has played another game maintaining his perfect 1.000 shot pct. on the season. Forget Besse on the top PP; with that kind of accuracy, why isn't Davison the entire focus of our offense?!

Actually while it's sometimes harder to follow individual players on tv, I did think Davison played pretty well last week, especially considering his layoff. He's better than perhaps I expected at this point.

Also I noticed Zullinick has 2 sog through 6 games... how is that even possible?

While LaBate has yet to score, he's at least shooting the puck on occasion, although I really feel he's suffering from a serious case of trying to do too much.

I'm liking the energy Cavallini brings when he hits the ice. Although to be fair, he looks like he's working twice as hard as everybody else partly because he's not a particularly good skater.

icebadger
11-13-2014, 10:44 AM
Itís difficult being optimistic about the Badgers right now, since they are the only D1 team in the country without a win or a tie and dead last in the PairWise rankings.The only way to go is up!

WiscDC
11-13-2014, 02:52 PM
Another thought I had after this past weekend: The idea that Wisconsin hockey is "boring" is ridiculous.

Bonin21
11-13-2014, 02:54 PM
Another thought I had after this past weekend: The idea that Wisconsin hockey is "boring" is ridiculous.
Lol well...

WiscDC
11-13-2014, 11:38 PM
Lol well...

Lol well...if you don't like hockey, I guess it's not exciting. Friday's game could have been half as exciting and worth the price of admission. Even if they did play the "boring" style, I've never seen it as boring. I guess I actually like hockey.

ExileOnDaytonStreet
11-14-2014, 08:43 AM
Lol well...if you don't like hockey, I guess it's not exciting. Friday's game could have been half as exciting and worth the price of admission. Even if they did play the "boring" style, I've never seen it as boring. I guess I actually like hockey.

Good luck with that argument. Evidently, some people don't think it's hockey unless you refuse to play defense until your opponent is onside.

WiscTJK
11-14-2014, 08:44 AM
Lol well...if you don't like hockey, I guess it's not exciting. Friday's game could have been half as exciting and worth the price of admission. Even if they did play the "boring" style, I've never seen it as boring. I guess I actually like hockey.

Hockey is fun. Dump and chase is not my favorite style - Friday was hard to watch. They carried the puck in and passed better on Saturday and the game was fun to watch other than the last 10 minutes.

Wisko McBadgerton
11-14-2014, 09:28 AM
Good luck with that argument. Evidently, some people don't think it's hockey unless you refuse to play defense until your opponent is onside.

While I understand the lament over the loss of fire wagon hockey, (it was lots of fun!) I'm often struck by how I (and others) point to the Cornell OT game as the best (or at least, one of the best) hockey game(s) ever. Almost two games in one and 1 goal scored-- Sure there were 100 shots, but it was more like two 30-20 shot games... But to me it was a real thing of beauty the way Gilbert and co. stopped rush after rush cold at the blue line leaving the puck to drift harmlessly on into the zone. Some folks just don't seem to recognize how hard that is to do all day long, how much skill and discipline it takes, and how it is the backbone strategy of what made the '06 (and the '10) team so tough to beat. Puck luck can be fleeting, but great D can be reliable.

I love the fact that goofs revel in labeling it 'boring', because underlying that, is frustration in how their high-flying teams have such a hard time playing against it. On the other hand, I can't help but feel that some Badger fans that do the same, could be missing out a little on how great defense can be great to watch, provided you take the time to really understand what's going on.

Having said that, there's going to be quite a bit of firepower on campus over the next couple years, and I wouldn't be expecting to see many 1-0 games going forward. There are signs already that we will be pressuring more up front and playing a bit more of an open game which will probably be more satisfying to many, and to me as well, as long as it eventually produces wins.

Gurtholfin
11-14-2014, 10:30 AM
Good luck with that argument. Evidently, some people don't think it's hockey unless you refuse to play defense until your opponent is onside.


That's the funny part. The folks to our left who claim to know hockey better than the rest of us don't seem to understand defense.

I'll be the first to say that I hate watching the trap - which is also a funny thing about our friends to the left as they don't seem to mind when the Wild does it... I digress - and would prefer the Badgers to play a more attacking style.


Personally though, I can't stand wide open, no defensive responsibility hockey - pond hockey - when played away from the pond. It grates me to watch it coz as a defenseman I just see the breakdowns and missed assignments and a goalie hung out to dry. Missed assignments that we wouldn't have allowed uncorrected in youth hockey, let alone college.

There is a happy medium though and I wish the Badgers would move towards that. Not because our friends to the left would enjoy it more - heck, they wouldn't even recognize or acknowledge the change - but because I would.


To be honest, the 1-1-3 is nearly unwatchable and I can't imagine why any coach would want to use it or why any kid would want to come here to play it.

Gurtholfin
11-14-2014, 10:34 AM
I love the fact that goofs revel in labeling it 'boring', because underlying that, is frustration in how their high-flying teams have such a hard time playing against it.


That's always funny too. If your team can't impose their will and get the style to their liking... too ****ing bad.

Timothy A
11-14-2014, 12:39 PM
To be honest, the 1-1-3 is nearly unwatchable and I can't imagine why any coach would want to use it or why any kid would want to come here to play it.

I thought Eaves implemented a different forecheck last weekend? Maybe Chuck could do a little tutorial like he did explaining the 1 1 3 a few years ago.

Gurtholfin
11-14-2014, 12:54 PM
I thought Eaves implemented a different forecheck last weekend?


I'm aware.

Doesn't excuse having ever used it.

ExileOnDaytonStreet
11-14-2014, 01:01 PM
Honestly, the most boring thing about the Badgers was never the defense, but the lack of originality in getting into the zone. The same lack of originality that we often see on the power play.

Dump, chase, struggle to regain possession because we rarely have players that are really good at passing... THAT'S what is hard to watch .

Gurtholfin
11-14-2014, 01:16 PM
Honestly, the most boring thing about the Badgers was never the defense, but the lack of originality in getting into the zone. The same lack of originality that we often see on the power play.

Dump, chase, struggle to regain possession because we rarely have players that are really good at passing... THAT'S what is hard to watch .


I would say all of the neutral zone play - which would include the fall back, prevent defense that is the trap.

If you're attacking there on any level, it will lead to easier zone entries assuming you force turnovers.

bucky15
11-14-2014, 01:58 PM
I'll be the first to say that I hate watching the trap - which is also a funny thing about our friends to the left as they don't seem to mind when the Wild does it... I digress - and would prefer the Badgers to play a more attacking style.

I am so happy the Wild are considered the in-market team for Wisconsin for the NHL package. They are one of the few NHL teams, I dislike too watch. If the NHL ever changes it for Wisconsin to the Blackhawks I will be canceling the NHL.

With that being said, I understand why outsiders who have no attachment to UW hockey find it boring. My suggestion and practice, if you don't like it.....don't watch it.

Go4PuckFan2.0
11-14-2014, 02:14 PM
That's always funny too. If your team can't impose their will and get the style to their liking... too ****ing bad.

And that's the very point.

Play the style that gives you the best chance for the win.

Jacque Lemaire would often dismiss critics of his defensive style of coaching, correctly observing that you need the right players to play an up-tempo style. If you don't have the horses for that style, you'll get crushed trying play it.

The Badgers, like the Wild of the Lenaire era, are working with what they got.

Gurtholfin
11-14-2014, 03:09 PM
I am so happy the Wild are considered the in-market team for Wisconsin for the NHL package. They are one of the few NHL teams, I dislike too watch. If the NHL ever changes it for Wisconsin to the Blackhawks I will be canceling the NHL.


Huh? :confused:




With that being said, I understand why outsiders who have no attachment to UW hockey find it boring. My suggestion and practice, if you don't like it.....don't watch it.

An option that more and more are taking...

ExileOnDaytonStreet
11-14-2014, 03:30 PM
Huh? :confused:

I'm still trying to piece it together myself.