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  • Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Episode XXXI: A New Hope

    Originally posted by Chuck Schwartz View Post
    I wrote about Wisconsin's 0-8 start, in case anyone is looking for reading material today.

    LINK
    Kudos on the work and the article, Andy.
    Originally posted by WiscTJK
    I'm with Wisko and Tim.
    Originally posted by Timothy A
    Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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    • Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Episode XXXI: A New Hope

      From Chucks article:
      If you're creating 25 shot attempts by carrying the puck in the zone 31 times, and creating three attempts by dumping the puck in the zone 33 times, what does that say to you? Stop dumping the puck in the zone, right? Seems obvious.
      I had a question about Chuck's stats, but I answered it myself, which led me to thinking about it a bit more and instead I thought I might present an alternative conclusion here.

      The Badgers shot 25 times on their 48% zone entry vs UND's 56%... It seems to me that achieving 58% zone entry against a very good team is perhaps a reasonable expectation. It's starts getting very difficult quickly to raise that percentage as good teams are still going to force dumps at reasonably high rates. But let's say the Badgers increase entries by 10% though. That equates to about 37 entries and at that high shot rate, 4 or 5 more SOG in that game.

      On the other hand, good teams get one third to one half as many shots on dump-ins as they do on carry ins, which in this instance should be 8-12 shots. The Badgers had 3. In other words, the Badgers obviously did not retrieve the puck. Had they done a reasonable job, they would have produced 5-9 more SOG.

      Since a certain number of dumps are going to occur in every game anyway, it seems to me that there is more hay to be made for this team at the moment by working harder on their forecheck, winning more battles and retrieving the puck more efficiently.

      Having said that, both are important, and both need improvement, just positing it's not all one or other.
      Originally posted by WiscTJK
      I'm with Wisko and Tim.
      Originally posted by Timothy A
      Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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      • Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Episode XXXI: A New Hope

        Originally posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
        From Chucks article:

        I had a question about Chuck's stats, but I answered it myself, which led me to thinking about it a bit more and instead I thought I might present an alternative conclusion here.

        The Badgers shot 25 times on their 48% zone entry vs UND's 56%... It seems to me that achieving 58% zone entry against a very good team is perhaps a reasonable expectation. It's starts getting very difficult quickly to raise that percentage as good teams are still going to force dumps at reasonably high rates. But let's say the Badgers increase entries by 10% though. That equates to about 37 entries and at that high shot rate, 4 or 5 more SOG in that game.

        On the other hand, good teams get one third to one half as many shots on dump-ins as they do on carry ins, which in this instance should be 8-12 shots. The Badgers had 3. In other words, the Badgers obviously did not retrieve the puck. Had they done a reasonable job, they would have produced 5-9 more SOG.

        Since a certain number of dumps are going to occur in every game anyway, it seems to me that there is more hay to be made for this team at the moment by working harder on their forecheck, winning more battles and retrieving the puck more efficiently.

        Having said that, both are important, and both need improvement, just positing it's not all one or other.
        It's a fair point for sure. I wish I would have talked about that. There's no question Wisconsin has done a horrible job of puck retrieval this season. I've been telling that to anyone who was willing to listen all season. It was especially bad in the series vs. North Dakota because they have a strong defensive core that moves the puck very well. There were dozens of Wisconsin dumps that were picked up by the UND defenders, one pass was made and they were out of the zone.

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        • Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Episode XXXI: A New Hope

          Originally posted by Chuck Schwartz View Post
          It's a fair point for sure. I wish I would have talked about that. There's no question Wisconsin has done a horrible job of puck retrieval this season. I've been telling that to anyone who was willing to listen all season. It was especially bad in the series vs. North Dakota because they have a strong defensive core that moves the puck very well. There were dozens of Wisconsin dumps that were picked up by the UND defenders, one pass was made and they were out of the zone.
          There are lots of ways to interpret all the info you produced for that game... One thing's for sure, we wouldn't even be thinking about it without the work you put into that article. Again, great job. If anybody else wants to spend time breaking down every game this year just like that for free... Well, not sure that's even a sentence worth completing.

          Two things you touched on that I found fascinating:

          Pretty interesting that the line of Hughes, Besse, and Zullinick are one the ice for such low carry in #'s... Rockwood, Soleway, and Labate's numbers there are at least halfway respectable as a group. I should be surprised, but now that I see the numbers, I think back and go "Yeah... That's actually a thing I've seen without really recognizing it!"

          The other anomaly that stands out is Davison's 6 neutral zone breakups, but 1-5 dumps-to-carry-in's allowed. It appears he's being aggressive but I have a hard time deciding if it points to a good thing, or not?



          Back on the Game front, per Bagott, Dougherty's back in... But now Rockwood is out with the flu... Ugh!
          Originally posted by WiscTJK
          I'm with Wisko and Tim.
          Originally posted by Timothy A
          Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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          • Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Episode XXXI: A New Hope

            It was sounding quieter during intros than the UAH game 2 years ago, and I wondered why. Then I noticed almost the entire west 100 side was sitting.

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            • Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Episode XXXI: A New Hope

              That shootout win may actually be huge for this team.
              WISCONSIN BADGERS
              NCAA Championships: 1973, 1977, 1981, 1983, 1990, and 2006
              WCHA Regular Season Champions: 1977, 1990, and 2000
              WCHA Tournament Champions: 1970, 1972, 1973, 1977, 1978, 1982, 1983, 1988, 1990, 1995, 1998, and 2013
              B1G Tournament Champions: 2014
              Hobey Baker winner: #5 Blake Geoffrion

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              • Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Episode XXXI: A New Hope

                That was...solid. Despite not scoring a goal, that first-period power play looked okay, I think even for the 5-on-4 portions.

                There was an interesting stretch in the first in which Ferris State maintained possession in UW's end for quite a while, but it all took place in the corners and below the goal line, with a Badger blanketing the Bulldog. It was oddly not nerve-racking (or even really a threat), despite the time spent in UW's zone.

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                • Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Episode XXXI: A New Hope

                  Extremely uneven play last night, except for Rumpel who we expect to be solid. The last half of the third was hard to watch. Way too many unforced turnovers - easy passes right to the other team. It's not for lack of effort, just seems to be mental more than anything else. Hopefully they look better tonight.

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                  • Originally posted by UWisco View Post
                    That shootout win may actually be huge for this team.
                    Tie.
                    If you want to be a BADGER, just come along with me

                    BRING BACK PAT RICHTER!!!


                    At his graduation ceremony from the U of Minnesota, my cousin got a keychain. When asked what UW gave her for graduation, my sister said, "A degree from a University that matters."

                    Canned music is a pathetic waste of your time.

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                    • Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
                      Tie.
                      I know the game was a tie. I was just speaking as a confidence booster. As you see I said shootout win, not win.
                      WISCONSIN BADGERS
                      NCAA Championships: 1973, 1977, 1981, 1983, 1990, and 2006
                      WCHA Regular Season Champions: 1977, 1990, and 2000
                      WCHA Tournament Champions: 1970, 1972, 1973, 1977, 1978, 1982, 1983, 1988, 1990, 1995, 1998, and 2013
                      B1G Tournament Champions: 2014
                      Hobey Baker winner: #5 Blake Geoffrion

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                      • Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Episode XXXI: A New Hope

                        Originally posted by UWisco View Post
                        I know the game was a tie. I was just speaking as a confidence booster. As you see I said shootout win, not win.
                        Don't sweat it. EODS is just practicing his dour.

                        Alright Bucky-- Let's get it done tonight.
                        Originally posted by WiscTJK
                        I'm with Wisko and Tim.
                        Originally posted by Timothy A
                        Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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                        • Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Episode XXXI: A New Hope

                          Omg!!! Paape scored!!!
                          Originally posted by WiscTJK
                          I'm with Wisko and Tim.
                          Originally posted by Timothy A
                          Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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                          • Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Episode XXXI: A New Hope

                            Hold on to it, boys! Let's get #1!

                            Also: Who's your Paape?
                            If you want to be a BADGER, just come along with me

                            BRING BACK PAT RICHTER!!!


                            At his graduation ceremony from the U of Minnesota, my cousin got a keychain. When asked what UW gave her for graduation, my sister said, "A degree from a University that matters."

                            Canned music is a pathetic waste of your time.

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                            • Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Episode XXXI: A New Hope

                              And the push for #7 commences...

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                              • Re: Wisconsin Hockey: Episode XXXI: A New Hope

                                Good for the kids.

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