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walrus
11-02-2014, 12:45 PM
Can start by getting rid of folks that are not getting the job done (liability) and replace them with people that can get the job done (asset). It's all about business sense, common sense and math. Of course, if the liabilities are political hires, you're probably pizzing into the wind.

I agree with getting rid of liabilities. But if that was going to happen I'd think the new AD would have already done that.they can't even come up with a video feed worth watching let alone market a team that was driven in the dirt.

amherstblackbear
11-02-2014, 12:46 PM
Its not that simple. Reducing prices somewhat does not necessarily put people in the seats. If they don't want to come and watch college hockey anymore, guess what, no amount of price reduction will do the trick. No, to put fannys back into the seats they need to win consistently, create another statewide buzz about the teams success and make Maine Hockey once again the States darling child.

Maybe the truth's in the middle. If I'm too optimistic about the benefit of reducing prices, I think this might be too pessimistic. I'm not talking about creating a waiting list for season tickets that's hundreds of names long. Just getting the building full. If that means pricing your lowest tier on par with, say, a movie ticket, why not?

Like movies, putting on a hockey game pretty much costs what it costs. Maybe you need more security or ticket takers with a full house, but that difference is peanuts. Concessions - there's a much tighter relationship between cost of selling food and shirts and how many you sell. Better to have lower ticket prices and higher concessions/merch than to have cheap popcorn and promotions on souvenirs in a half-empty building.

If it means upping the amount of student tickets available per game, do that, too. At least for now. It just seems like there should be some way to get 4500+ people in the building without taking a huge hit.

DoubleA
11-02-2014, 12:49 PM
Winning = "Full house = more engaged fanbase = better environment for the team + more concessions and merch."

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Small addition...

amherstblackbear
11-02-2014, 12:54 PM
Small addition...

Full house --> promotes winning (better impression with recruits, better chance of crowd raising energy level, maybe even becoming intimidating for opponents (though that requires winning, and will take time)

Winning --> promotes ticket sales

They're mutually reinforcing, not mutually exclusive. And when they're both working together, THAT's when you cash in with higher prices. I just don't think it makes sense to start with high prices and hope you luck into a product that justifies them.

BBDiehard14
11-02-2014, 01:08 PM
Full house --> promotes winning (better impression with recruits, better chance of crowd raising energy level, maybe even becoming intimidating for opponents (though that requires winning, and will take time)

Winning --> promotes ticket sales

They're mutually reinforcing, not mutually exclusive. And when they're both working together, THAT's when you cash in with higher prices. I just don't think it makes sense to start with high prices and hope you luck into a product that justifies them.



We were lucky as heck to escape with 4 points. Wins are wins but Red can't be satisfied

rufus
11-02-2014, 01:10 PM
That was great to Maine come back. After the let downs last season it was nice to see Maine come back for a change.



Agreed. They may not have played their best hockey, and still have a ways to go, but this was a good step along the way. Down 2-0 and not playing particularly well, and red got them to come out in the third with their best effort of the game. Confidence builder, and now the players can see what can happen if they don't give up and just keep working hard.

umhockey91
11-02-2014, 01:42 PM
I think that those of us that saw the "big picture" early on during Whitehead's journey into the abyss were called "crazy" by more than a few fans, media and administrators. As it turns out, Whitehead was NOT the man for the job from the very beginning......the losses in the FFs to Minnesota and Denver were early warning signs not because they lost........but how they lost. Certainly Whitehead deserved a chance to drive the program despite those stinging losses though........but the last 5 years of TIMMAY TIME really hurt this program. It destroyed recruiting.......and now we are finally seeing the effects of a once passionate and loyal fan base finally eroding (if fans had only jumped ship much sooner so that the administration couldn't use continued strong attendance as a crutch!)......anyway, Gendron has his work cut out but it will be much more enjoyable watching the program evolve with a renewed sense of appreciation for the loyal fans that remain. I still think that it is easier to build a program up than to maintain it at the top (unless you are BC of course :rolleyes:)

BBDiehard14
11-02-2014, 01:54 PM
I think that those of us that saw the "big picture" early on during Whitehead's journey into the abyss were called "crazy" by more than a few fans, media and administrators. As it turns out, Whitehead was NOT the man for the job from the very beginning......the losses in the FFs to Minnesota and Denver were early warning signs not because they lost........but how they lost. Certainly Whitehead deserved a chance to drive the program despite those stinging losses though........but the last 5 years of TIMMAY TIME really hurt this program. It destroyed recruiting.......and now we are finally seeing the effects of a once passionate and loyal fan base finally eroding (if fans had only jumped ship much sooner so that the administration couldn't use continued strong attendance as a crutch!)......anyway, Gendron has his work cut out but it will be much more enjoyable watching the program evolve with a renewed sense of appreciation for the loyal fans that remain. I still think that it is easier to build a program up than to maintain it at the top (unless you are BC of course :rolleyes:)



Can we use any other program besides BC as an example? So sick of BC this BC that

all bear
11-02-2014, 02:21 PM
Ultimately, its the guys coming into the program now like Hamilton , Hayes, Pecararo, Romeo, Vesey ,etc who have the opportunity and responsibility, for that matter, to begin the resurrection of a marquee program from a near ash heap. Maybe a bit harsh, but no doubt we were struggling a few years ago. I believe Red is recruiting the right people to get this done; been very impressed with his recruits so far. So as they reestablish the pride in this program through good solid winning hockey, I believe the fans will come back in droves and keep coming back. But we have to continue winning 75% + of homes games and win on the road ...crucial. If we do that, we can be consistently in Beantown and make regular NCAA appearances. We can make Alford once again the most electric college hockey atmosphere and experience in all of college hockey. We know this because we have experienced it before and know what it takes. If and when we make that step, ticket prices become almost irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Ps... and if this happens, I might bum someone's tickets for a weekend and drive all the way up there to see them play Sokol Kiev or some other interesting team :D

FiveHole12
11-02-2014, 02:36 PM
Can we use any other program besides BC as an example? So sick of BC this BC that
Of course you can. Strive for mediocrity... but I thought that's what everyone is beeatching about. ;) :p

Drew S.
11-02-2014, 02:38 PM
Ultimately, its the guys coming into the program now like Hamilton , Hayes, Pecararo, Romeo, Vesey ,etc who have the opportunity and responsibility, for that matter, to begin the resurrection of a marquee program from a near ash heap. Maybe a bit harsh, but no doubt we were struggling a few years ago. I believe Red is recruiting the right people to get this done; been very impressed with his recruits so far. So as they reestablish the pride in this program through good solid winning hockey, I believe the fans will come back in droves and keep coming back. But we have to continue winning 75% + of homes games and win on the road ...crucial. If we do that, we can be consistently in Beantown and make regular NCAA appearances. We can make Alford once again the most electric college hockey atmosphere and experience in all of college hockey. We know this because we have experienced it before and know what it takes. If and when we make that step, ticket prices become almost irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Ps... and if this happens, I might bum someone's tickets for a weekend and drive all the way up there to see them play Sokol Kiev or some other interesting team :D

Those guys can't get the paper mills to open back up or resurrect other jobs that have been lost in recent times. The truth of the matter is that there are a lot of different reasons attendance isn't what it used to be and there is no silver bullet. Maine winning and lower ticket prices would surely help, but I'm not sure even with both of those things in place the Alfond will ever be like it was when Shawn was alive.

FiveHole12
11-02-2014, 02:41 PM
Ultimately, its the guys coming into the program now like Hamilton , Hayes, Pecararo, Romeo, Vesey ,etc who have the opportunity and responsibility, for that matter, to begin the resurrection of a marquee program from a near ash heap. Maybe a bit harsh, but no doubt we were struggling a few years ago. I believe Red is recruiting the right people to get this done; been very impressed with his recruits so far. So as they reestablish the pride in this program through good solid winning hockey, I believe the fans will come back in droves and keep coming back. But we have to continue winning 75% + of homes games and win on the road ...crucial. If we do that, we can be consistently in Beantown and make regular NCAA appearances. We can make Alford once again the most electric college hockey atmosphere and experience in all of college hockey. We know this because we have experienced it before and know what it takes. If and when we make that step, ticket prices become almost irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Ps... and if this happens, I might bum someone's tickets for a weekend and drive all the way up there to see them play Sokol Kiev or some other interesting team :D
When I was talking about starting at the top, I wasn't referring to the coach's position. He's a coach and that's what he should do, coach the team. If he sucks, fire him and get a better one.

But you all may be right. Just win and things will fix themselves. I don't think so, I think it's bigger than that, but time will tell.
FWIW, we won't mind you getting as high as 2nd fiddle. :D

all bear
11-02-2014, 02:50 PM
Those guys can't get the paper mills to open back up or resurrect other jobs that have been lost in recent times. The truth of the matter is that there are a lot of different reasons attendance isn't what it used to be and there is no silver bullet. Maine winning and lower ticket prices would surely help, but I'm not sure even with both of those things in place the Alfond will ever be like it was when Shawn was alive.

Nobody knows for sure, but surely that area up dere is more than paper mills and shoe factories. If not then there's a problem, and maybe they really should move the main campus to Portland.:D. When it all started to become the thing to do, it was the local business owners who were on the cutting edge of this phenomenon... I knew a few of them. When you get the local leaders creating a buzz, others listen and want to become part of it and it all snowballs. Can lightning strike twice? Who knows, but I believe sound, fundamental hockey with a winning tradition as Maine has can be easily sustainable , especially with our proximity to New Brunswick and Québec and excellent reputation in places like Minnesota.

all bear
11-02-2014, 02:57 PM
When I was talking about starting at the top, I wasn't referring to the coach's position. He's a coach and that's what he should do, coach the team. If he sucks, fire him and get a better one.

But you all may be right. Just win and things will fix themselves. I don't think so, I think it's bigger than that, but time will tell.
FWIW, we won't mind you getting as high as 2nd fiddle. :D

Yeah, in the future it would suck to be second fiddle to the evil red army team down Commonwealth Ave after Jewry retires or dies of old age. :D

BBDiehard14
11-02-2014, 06:35 PM
Yeah, in the future it would suck to be second fiddle to the evil red army team down Commonwealth Ave after Jewry retires or dies of old age. :D



Lol a lot of Maine fans are sick of JerWee

Felger
11-02-2014, 06:45 PM
Hope some of you guys are reading the Northeastern thread.

ck1969
11-02-2014, 08:24 PM
Of course you can. Strive for mediocrity... but I thought that's what everyone is beeatching about. ;) :p

Don't mind fan boy newbie. You are on the $$$ with everything you've posted. Everyone can say this that and another thing. Bottom line is...it's not freaking rocket science how to properly market a product.....be it a widget or Maine Hockey.

BBDiehard14
11-02-2014, 09:15 PM
Hope some of you guys are reading the Northeastern thread.



I got a laugh out of it

TERRIERFANinLA
11-03-2014, 08:27 AM
Lol a lot of Maine fans are sick of Jerry

and a lot of Maine fans really respect the man and what he has done (it is the administration that allows the recruiting practices, so that is not on him)

that all said. I wish some of you could have gone to Lowell games when it was one of the Alfond South rinks... when the Maine fans outnumbered the Lowell fans at least 20 to 1 (many of the lowell fans in attendance had TECH sweaters on... Lowell TECH). Blaise Macdonald was smart (or maybe it was the administration inlcluding Meehan), but Blaise went to middle schools and elementary schools and handed out free tickets. lots of piles of free tickets.

The place never completely filled up during the regular season (not back then), but the Tsongas was crawling with kids who didn't care if it was hockey or basketball in the middle, they were with their friends and they were eating fried dough and drinking sodas. Lots of those little kids are now lowell hockey fans.

suppose it might be nice when the average age fan of Umaine is not BobF or DWollstadt or me? many season ticket holders are having to decide if they want to leave the old folks home for the night to see the game or if they just wanna stay in and stay warm, or they've passed on.

Maine needs youth in the stands and frenzied, excited, LOUD fans

Drew S.
11-03-2014, 08:58 AM
and a lot of Maine fans really respect the man and what he has done (it is the administration that allows the recruiting practices, so that is not on him)

that all said. I wish some of you could have gone to Lowell games when it was one of the Alfond South rinks... when the Maine fans outnumbered the Lowell fans at least 20 to 1 (many of the lowell fans in attendance had TECH sweaters on... Lowell TECH). Blaise Macdonald was smart (or maybe it was the administration inlcluding Meehan), but Blaise went to middle schools and elementary schools and handed out free tickets. lots of piles of free tickets.

The place never completely filled up during the regular season (not back then), but the Tsongas was crawling with kids who didn't care if it was hockey or basketball in the middle, they were with their friends and they were eating fried dough and drinking sodas. Lots of those little kids are now lowell hockey fans.

suppose it might be nice when the average age fan of Umaine is not BobF or DWollstadt or me? many season ticket holders are having to decide if they want to leave the old folks home for the night to see the game or if they just wanna stay in and stay warm, or they've passed on.

Maine needs youth in the stands and frenzied, excited, LOUD fans

I'm sure Dana has had a lot to do with it as well. It's sad that Maine would never hire someone with his kind of profile in a million years.