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  • #31
    Re: RIT Tigers 2014-2015

    There are only three lines of forwards dressed each game and some of those forwards are playing injured. I think they're just getting too gassed to put home the rebounds and loose pucks in front of the net.

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    • #32
      Re: RIT Tigers 2014-2015

      Originally posted by EvilTaxi View Post
      There are only three lines of forwards dressed each game and some of those forwards are playing injured. I think they're just getting too gassed to put home the rebounds and loose pucks in front of the net.
      Wait, really? Why?


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      • #33
        Re: RIT Tigers 2014-2015

        Originally posted by LtPowers View Post
        Wait, really? Why?


        Powers &8^]
        Three forwards scratched each game, none being healthy scratches.

        EDIT: Wait, I'm dumb. Two forwards and a defenseman. Stenason got shifted back to D again to fill that sixth slot.
        Last edited by EvilTaxi; 11-05-2014, 07:51 AM.

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        • #34
          Re: RIT Tigers 2014-2015

          Originally posted by LtPowers View Post
          Wait, really? Why?


          Powers &8^]
          Short bench this year, especially up front...
          Last year, 3 seniors graduated - 2 forwards (Zach and Kunichika), 1 D (Bromley)
          5 players left the team, or are otherwise not on the roster this year. 4 Forwards (Waites, Hall, St. James, Hubert), 1 D (Klein)
          So we lost 6 forwards, 2 defense.

          This years newcomers (I'd say Freshmen, except Haley Northcote is a transfer Junior)
          2 Forwards (Henderson, Pitawanakwat). 4 D (Northcore, Vuglar, Grisko, Carrol).

          3 players are out with injuries - Forwards Clayton and Maugeri, and Defense Scoyne.

          So, overall compared to last year (and ignoring injuries), we are -4 forwards, +2 defense. I'm not sure when the 5 players leaving knew they were leaving and/or told Coach, but it was likely too late to get good recruits.


          To combat this a bit, Lindsay Grigg and Lindsay Stenason, moved to Forward (listed F/D on the roster). But As EvilTaxi pointed out, Stenason has been moved back to D, likely to fill the hole left by Scoyne.

          Here is last Saturday's line chart: http://ritathletics.com/custompages/...ood_110114.pdf

          Looking at the roster, if everyone is healthy and both Lindsays are playing forward, we have exactly 12 forwards, 7 D. Not much room for injuries...
          Last edited by mar7967; 11-05-2014, 12:03 PM.
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          • #35
            Re: RIT Tigers 2014-2015

            A 19-skater roster is completely unacceptable. How does McDonald expect to compete in that kind of situation? And when is his butt getting called on the carpet for it?


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            • #36
              Re: RIT Tigers 2014-2015

              Originally posted by LtPowers View Post
              A 19-skater roster is completely unacceptable. How does McDonald expect to compete in that kind of situation? And when is his butt getting called on the carpet for it?
              That's one more than Minnesota has on its roster.

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              • #37
                Re: RIT Tigers 2014-2015

                Originally posted by LtPowers View Post
                A 19-skater roster is completely unacceptable. How does McDonald expect to compete in that kind of situation? And when is his butt getting called on the carpet for it?


                Powers &8^]
                Get a grip. RIT has an official roster of 22.....similar to the rosters of a significant number of other teams. This year quite a few teams including Minnesota (21), Clarkson (20), Dartmouth (21), Cornell (20) have even smaller rosters.

                Last year, over half of the Top 10 ranked teams had rosters of 22 or less....including the champion Clarkson (21) and runner-up Minnesota (21). Harvard had 19. Astonishingly they all seemed to find a way to compete quite nicely.

                Are you suggesting their coaches need to be called on the carpet too?
                Ask any player if they'd prefer to go to a competitive team where they will be one of 19 skaters or 23 skaters. You should not be surprised by the answer.

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                • #38
                  Re: RIT Tigers 2014-2015

                  Originally posted by Trillium View Post
                  Ask any player if they'd prefer to go to a competitive team where they will be one of 19 skaters or 23 skaters. You should not be surprised by the answer.
                  I agree. I have heard a reason that at least one of the non-seniors left the team was due to lack of ice time.
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                  • #39
                    Re: RIT Tigers 2014-2015

                    Originally posted by Trillium View Post
                    Are you suggesting their coaches need to be called on the carpet too?
                    Ask any player if they'd prefer to go to a competitive team where they will be one of 19 skaters or 23 skaters. You should not be surprised by the answer.
                    I'm not sure how all those other teams manage injuries, then. Harvard had 19 players total? That's not even enough to fill a gameday roster if everyone's healthy. How is that possible?


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                    • #40
                      Re: RIT Tigers 2014-2015

                      Originally posted by LtPowers View Post
                      I'm not sure how all those other teams manage injuries, then. Harvard had 19 players total? That's not even enough to fill a gameday roster if everyone's healthy. How is that possible?


                      Powers &8^]
                      They lost two players to Team USA IIRC.

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                      • #41
                        Re: RIT Tigers 2014-2015

                        Originally posted by LtPowers View Post
                        I'm not sure how all those other teams manage injuries, then. Harvard had 19 players total? That's not even enough to fill a gameday roster if everyone's healthy. How is that possible?


                        Powers &8^]
                        Northeastern only had 12 healthy skaters for at least part of a game last year, and they only had 13 when they started to get hot. There have been tournament teams over the years that didn't have more than 15 or 16 skaters. Empty space on a line chart is pretty common. Rosters tend to be a little more stable once the season starts at scholarship schools, because a player who is on at least a partial scholarship doesn't decide to quit the team because her class load is too heavy or she met the love of her life. In most sports, it seems that programs that don't give any dollars based on the student playing a varsity sport roster a couple of extras, because those kids can drop the sport with less consequence.
                        "... And lose, and start again at your beginnings
                        And never breathe a word about your loss;" -- Rudyard Kipling

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                        • #42
                          Re: RIT Tigers 2014-2015

                          Originally posted by LtPowers View Post
                          I'm not sure how all those other teams manage injuries, then. Harvard had 19 players total? That's not even enough to fill a gameday roster if everyone's healthy. How is that possible?


                          Powers &8^]
                          How is it not? Many (most?) teams very rarely play more than 3 lines of forwards and 5 or 6 D anyway. That's only 14-15 skaters. That leaves room for 4-6 players to be missing with injury or available for intermittent play to give others rest.

                          In 2008-09, UNH went as far as the NCAA quarterfinals with only 15 skaters on their roster that year.

                          Some teams give the lion's share of minutes to 10-12 skaters regardless of roster depth, relying heavily on their first 2 lines and D pairings. The more relevant question then is why so many teams choose to have rosters of 24 or more.
                          Last edited by Trillium; 11-05-2014, 05:02 PM.

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                          • #43
                            Re: RIT Tigers 2014-2015

                            Uh, isn't it normal to have four forward lines? Am I missing something here?


                            Powers &8^]

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                            • #44
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                              Originally posted by LtPowers View Post
                              Uh, isn't it normal to have four forward lines? Am I missing something here?


                              Powers &8^]
                              Sure, if you have enough players. However, most teams don't skate a fourth line regularly even if one is dressed. It wasn't that long ago where teams skated primarily two lines and put the third out there once in a while to buy a little extra rest. Now fourth lines get out about that much in some games, maybe not at all in others. The game is evolving, but it isn't as much of a four-line game as men's hockey is. Even though depth has improved a ton, there is still a drop from the kids on the first line to those on the fourth on the average team, particularly in scoring potential.
                              "... And lose, and start again at your beginnings
                              And never breathe a word about your loss;" -- Rudyard Kipling

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by LtPowers View Post
                                Uh, isn't it normal to have four forward lines? Am I missing something here?


                                Powers &8^]
                                Sure. But since the fourth line gets very little ice time (sometimes 2-5 shifts/game and in some cases not even as an intact line), not having one typically doesn't really make a difference. Against ranked teams it wouldn't be unusual in many programs for the fourth line to not play at all anyways.

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