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Blackbeard
08-14-2014, 11:09 PM
Hockey game collision results in assault conviction...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/gordon-macisaac-hockey-assault-conviction-will-have-chilling-effect-lawyer-says-1.2736176

UCONN FAN
08-15-2014, 09:43 AM
Hockey game collision results in assault conviction...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/gordon-macisaac-hockey-assault-conviction-will-have-chilling-effect-lawyer-says-1.2736176
LOL and Chara got off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Canadian fans will be ****ed

Eeyore
08-15-2014, 09:48 AM
That, my friends, is a terrible article. Did anyone else notice that it quotes no one except the defense attorney? Nothing from the judge. Nothing from any of the witnesses. No citation of the testimony. Just the assertion that the whole thing was an accident and that it's terrible for hockey. Try this:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/13/assault-conviction-for-hockey-hit-will-have-chilling-effect-on-recreational-leagues-lawyer-warns/


Jonathan Desjardins, a referee at the game, testified that both Mr. Casterton and MacIsaac were rushing toward the puck behind the net when the collision happened.

“What I saw, clearly saw, is [MacIsaac] jumped off the ice,” Mr. Desjardins testified. “His skates left the ice, arms in the high position, making contact with the victim.”

The defense witnesses disagree and I have no idea what actually happened, but it's a more complicated story than the CBC piece indicates.

Ted Knight
08-15-2014, 12:15 PM
Going to court for a hockey hit? What a *****...Canada has the more wimps than France. Proof was the Chara hit. To think that the people living in the country where hockey was born would want a player arrested for a check is a joke. Go back and look at old film of Montreal...they were the worst. This world has officially become a joke.
Shut down Hockey and go to curling... Wait, they would probably file a lawsuit if a curler pulled a groin...grow up you wimps.

Cali
08-15-2014, 12:23 PM
Going to court for a hockey hit? What a *****...Canada has the more wimps than France. Proof was the Chara hit. To think that the people living in the country where hockey was born would want a player arrested for a check is a joke. Go back and look at old film of Montreal...they were the worst. This world has officially become a joke.
Shut down Hockey and go to curling... Wait, they would probably file a lawsuit if a curler pulled a groin...grow up you wimps.

Well now we know how you feel. Murica!!

Eeyore
08-15-2014, 02:17 PM
Going to court for a hockey hit?

When you join a non-contact league I don't think you are assuming an expectation of someone leaving their feet and delivering a blow to the head so hard that it leaves you unable to work.

Ted Knight
08-15-2014, 02:26 PM
When you join a non-contact league I don't think you are assuming an expectation of someone leaving their feet and delivering a blow to the head so hard that it leaves you unable to work.

nor did the u16 girl (non contact league) assume she would be cracked over the head twice by a russian...you wont see them in a court. like I said...that guy is a real pu$$y. should be a shuffle board player.

Eeyore
08-15-2014, 02:31 PM
nor did the u16 girl (non contact league) assume she would be cracked over the head twice by a russian...you wont see them in a court. like I said...that guy is a real pu$$y. should be a shuffle board player.

So, your claim is that only wimps can suffer from severe post-concussion syndrome?

Cali
08-15-2014, 02:46 PM
nor did the u16 girl (non contact league) assume she would be cracked over the head twice by a russian...you wont see them in a court. like I said...that guy is a real pu$$y. should be a shuffle board player.

Was the guy that the HC of RIT sucker-punched in a beer league game a real pu$$y as well?

pokechecker
08-15-2014, 04:13 PM
nor did the u16 girl (non contact league) assume she would be cracked over the head twice by a russian...you wont see them in a court.

bad analogy, it happened in Hungry between two foreigners

they don't even give justice to their own citizens much less foreigners

I assume from your posting you love watching the rough play and fighting, but I bet if you ever were on the ice you'd be crying for your team mates help every time you were on the receiving end. Assuming you can even stand on skates.

DC78-82
08-18-2014, 08:33 AM
When you join a non-contact league I don't think you are assuming an expectation of someone leaving their feet and delivering a blow to the head so hard that it leaves you unable to work.

I have taken (okay, and maybe given) some pretty hard contact in both men's league and Coed. There are some instances where a couple guys got into it, and you could tell there was some deliberate roughing, but for the most part it's all been incidental. Keep your head up and you can see it coming and brace for it if it's unavoidable 9 times out of 10. You take a risk everytime you take the ice. It's the nature of the game.

That said, it's beyond me how any rec player doesn't wear a full mask. I don't know about this guy, who lost teeth, but there are a lot of guys I play with who wear shields or no face protection. That is asking for trouble.

Ted Knight
08-18-2014, 09:11 AM
bad analogy, it happened in Hungry between two foreigners

they don't even give justice to their own citizens much less foreigners

I assume from your posting you love watching the rough play and fighting, but I bet if you ever were on the ice you'd be crying for your team mates help every time you were on the receiving end. Assuming you can even stand on skates.


So you're rationalizing the u16 because they're "foreigners"? You're really not making any sense. It's not the fact that there "was" a hit, it's that a so called "MAN" would go to court over that hit on the ice. If you think stepping onto a sheet of ice is going to be a "nice, pleasant, fun, 100% safe" experience every time, kind of like a "Utopian World on ice" you're more na´ve than I thought...must be from Canada.


olay olay olay olay...olay olay

ARM
08-18-2014, 09:55 AM
You take a risk everytime you take the ice. It's the nature of the game.You take a risk in just about any sport. The question becomes, if the action of one participant is found to be outside the norm for that particular sport and causes a costly injury to another, does the offending party have some responsibility? If you're golfing and somebody from the group behind you drives into your group and rearranges your face, even though you took a risk by stepping on the course, should they pay for your medical expenses? If you're playing rec-league softball and some guy smacks the catcher either on the backswing or follow through and breaks a jaw, is he responsible? We expect people to follow rules or suffer consequences when driving, maintaining property, or going through daily life. If a players thinks that he is beyond a lawsuit on the ice, then that is naive as well.

Ted Knight
08-18-2014, 10:34 AM
You take a risk in just about any sport. The question becomes, if the action of one participant is found to be outside the norm for that particular sport and causes a costly injury to another, does the offending party have some responsibility? If you're golfing and somebody from the group behind you drives into your group and rearranges your face, even though you took a risk by stepping on the course, should they pay for your medical expenses? If you're playing rec-league softball and some guy smacks the catcher either on the backswing or follow through and breaks a jaw, is he responsible? We expect people to follow rules or suffer consequences when driving, maintaining property, or going through daily life. If a players thinks that he is beyond a lawsuit on the ice, then that is naive as well.

Spoken like a true ambulance chaser. Are you saying that if a batter hits a catcher and brakes his jaw on a backswing he is responsible? Man, you're killing me. The catcher has to take responsibility for his position. Is he going to bring a batter to court if the batter foul tips one off the jewels? Next you're going to tell me that if you slip on ice on your own walkway you'll be in court with a lawsuit against yourself. Whatever happened to logical thinking?

ARM
08-18-2014, 10:52 AM
Spoken like a true ambulance chaser. Are you saying that if a batter hits a catcher and brakes his jaw on a backswing he is responsible? Man, you're killing me. ... Whatever happened to logical thinking?You tell me. I didn't say I personally was out to sue anybody; that was entirely your brand of "logic." I worked with a guy who was a batter in that scenario, although I must confess I don't know what would be involved in your "brakes his jaw" case. My co-worker was sued. The two guys had a testosterone moment that led up to the contact, I wasn't there so I can't say who was more at fault, but my point is that the lawsuits are going to happen. Not saying that I'm going to file them, but you shouldn't assume that because you are on the field of play, the court, or the ice, that you are safe from litigation, because it has become a huge part of our society.

Ted Knight
08-18-2014, 10:59 AM
You tell me. I didn't say I personally was out to sue anybody; that was entirely your brand of "logic." I worked with a guy who was a batter in that scenario, although I must confess I don't know what would be involved in your "brakes his jaw" case. My co-worker was sued. The two guys had a testosterone moment that led up to the contact, I wasn't there so I can't say who was more at fault, but my point is that the lawsuits are going to happen. Not saying that I'm going to file them, but you shouldn't assume that because you are on the field of play, the court, or the ice, that you are safe from litigation, because it has become a huge part of our society.


society...hit it on the head there. everyone looking for something for nothing. thank the dear leader for that

Eeyore
08-18-2014, 11:14 AM
society...hit it on the head there. everyone looking for something for nothing. thank the dear leader for that

In the case above, it's not something for nothing. The injured party's annual income went from over $80,000 per year to about $12,000 per year due to an inability to work.

Is there any point at which you think someone could do something on the ice that would qualify as a tort or as a criminal act? Is it literally anything goes in your world?

pokechecker
08-18-2014, 11:35 AM
let's face it, men's hockey is the only North American sport where fighting is tolerated, and intentionally trying to injure your opponent is "part" of the game. I really don't care what they do in Canada, they can knock each others heads off, throw them in jail, fine them... just keep it north of the border and in the pros, which I could care less about either.

brookyone
08-18-2014, 11:52 AM
society...hit it on the head there. everyone looking for something for nothing. thank the dear leader for that
:rolleyes:

TonyTheTiger20
08-18-2014, 11:55 AM
Here's what it boils down to:

A) Do you now charge everyone who makes a clearly intentional attempt to injure another athlete on the court/ice/field/whatever with aggravated assault? And,

B) Why is someone who makes a clearly intentional attempt to injure another athlete never charged with aggravated assault?

Not saying which one I agree with, but it's a tough debate.

EDIT: Not saying that the guy in the rec league was 100% an "intentional intent to injure" or not; I have not a clue.

Teddy, I love that you're an addition to the BC family but you're making discourse a bit difficult. Having said that, general forum guidelines typically start with "just ignore pokechecker, he enters threads to try and get people riled up and it's not worth it."