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whoop87
09-06-2014, 04:51 PM
Yes, the UNH roster was posted two days ago. Nicoline Jensen, Castleton's leading scorer as a Frosh and Soph, is now at UNH.
Here's the link to the UNH roster: http://unhwildcats.com/sports/wice/2014-15/roster

pucko
09-06-2014, 11:43 PM
Yes, the UNH roster was posted two days ago. Nicoline Jensen, Castleton's leading scorer as a Frosh and Soph, is now at UNH.
Here's the link to the UNH roster: http://unhwildcats.com/sports/wice/2014-15/roster

Colby was DI when the Kennedy sisters played there so different story. I've never seen Jensen play, but her point totals over her two years at Castleton aren't astronomical enough to make me think she'll be a huge difference maker for UNH. I was under the impression that's what UNH really needs this year after the past few years of sub-par seasons, but she could be a great kid and hard worker. Every team needs that!

wpiguy
09-07-2014, 08:19 PM
[QUOTE=whoop87;5996640]Yes, the UNH roster was posted two days ago. Nicoline Jensen, Castleton's leading scorer as a Frosh and Soph, is now at UNH.
Here's the link to the UNH
This is a tough loss for Castleton. They are not likely to replace a player of her caliber any time soon.

Trillium
09-07-2014, 08:35 PM
I've never seen Jensen play, but her point totals over her two years at Castleton aren't astronomical enough to make me think she'll be a huge difference maker for UNH. I was under the impression that's what UNH really needs this year after the past few years of sub-par seasons!

Given that UNH is a team with only 6 returning forwards that achieved double digit points....and no other returning forwards who had more than a couple, I'd say a D3 team's leading scorer would likely help to add both needed leadership and some production to 3rd line duty at the very least. Since weak teams often lose games because of their lack of offensive depth beyond their top lines, I'd think she could actually be an important difference maker for UNH solely on that basis. Of course, she could also prove to even better than that if the opportunity and chemistry is there.

HockeyEast33
09-08-2014, 09:05 AM
Given that UNH is a team with only 6 returning forwards that achieved double digit points....and no other returning forwards who had more than a couple, I'd say a D3 team's leading scorer would likely help to add both needed leadership and some production to 3rd line duty at the very least. Since weak teams often lose games because of their lack of offensive depth beyond their top lines, I'd think she could actually be an important difference maker for UNH solely on that basis. Of course, she could also prove to even better than that if the opportunity and chemistry is there.

Hard to imagine a D3 player walking into a D1 program as a Junior and assuming a leadership position off the bat - seems to be a lot of distrust and disrespect among the players at UNH based on the articles the past year and some of the more disruptive players are still there I think from what I have read. She may earn respect this season and be a leader next year but it will be very difficult to start off in that position.

Trillium
09-08-2014, 09:33 AM
Hard to imagine a D3 player walking into a D1 program as a Junior and assuming a leadership position off the bat - seems to be a lot of distrust and disrespect among the players at UNH based on the articles the past year and some of the more disruptive players are still there I think from what I have read. She may earn respect this season and be a leader next year but it will be very difficult to start off in that position.

Leadership takes a great many forms, most of them unofficial....it seems you are thinking in terms of Cs and As, and I'm not at all. Often the best leadership comes from those without position power, who just quietly go about their business and provide a positive example for others. That's even more important in a divisive atmosphere...the more players you can bring in without that old baggage of negativity--and know how to contribute to a college team on and off the ice, the better.

I'm making the assumption that if she was the leading scorer in her first 2 years, and her coach wanted to have her follow him, she likely has many desirable qualities not only in terms of her potential production, but also likely in terms of work ethic, positive attitude, confidence, etc. That makes her a potential positive role model for others. Not to mention the maturity that generally comes with being 3 years older than the other incoming players.

In addition to that, whether she ends up being a huge offensive threat for UNH isn't necessarily critical to her being a difference maker either--my point was that even as a third line player you would expect that her offensive contributions would likely be a significant improvement versus the record of the incumbents.

sonar
09-08-2014, 09:56 AM
That first year class at UNH is going to surprise a few people .....

DC78-82
09-08-2014, 12:28 PM
That first year class at UNH is going to surprise a few people .....

With the numbers this year, each player is going to have to be accountable on and off the ice. That will be a big change right there.

As for leadership, I'm not sure what direction the staff will take, or who will step up / evolve, but they better be ready to set good examples and build relationships based on the future, not the past.

Call It
09-08-2014, 01:30 PM
I for one hope she lights it up at UNH. I think there are many D3 players that could do well in D1, especially the upperclassman. Look how well RIT did their first year or Penn State.

Cali
09-08-2014, 02:18 PM
I for one hope she lights it up at UNH. I think there are many D3 players that could do well in D1, especially the upperclassman. Look how well RIT did their first year or Penn State.

The RIT comment I get but Penn State? They were never a D3 team. They were a club team but in their first year they were virtually all recruits.

HockeyEast33
09-08-2014, 03:44 PM
Leadership takes a great many forms, most of them unofficial....it seems you are thinking in terms of Cs and As, and I'm not at all. Often the best leadership comes from those without position power, who just quietly go about their business and provide a positive example for others. That's even more important in a divisive atmosphere...the more players you can bring in without that old baggage of negativity--and know how to contribute to a college team on and off the ice, the better.

I'm making the assumption that if she was the leading scorer in her first 2 years, and her coach wanted to have her follow him, she likely has many desirable qualities not only in terms of her potential production, but also likely in terms of work ethic, positive attitude, confidence, etc. That makes her a potential positive role model for others. Not to mention the maturity that generally comes with being 3 years older than the other incoming players.

In addition to that, whether she ends up being a huge offensive threat for UNH isn't necessarily critical to her being a difference maker either--my point was that even as a third line player you would expect that her offensive contributions would likely be a significant improvement versus the record of the incumbents.

Actually I was not thinking in terms of C's and A's at all. Leading without authority is indeed a character attribute. My point is that an incoming D3 junior is unlikely to have the street cred to pull that off on her new D1 team until well into the season at the earliest. The fact that she is an assistant coach's hand picked choice may be more of an impediment to earning that street cred than beneficial. And according to all data presented on the UNH thread, at least a portion of this group of girls (returners not the freshman) are by all accounts a tough crowd to break that doesn't take well to being led by example OR direction.

Chuck Murray
09-09-2014, 05:07 AM
Actually I was not thinking in terms of C's and A's at all. Leading without authority is indeed a character attribute. My point is that an incoming D3 junior is unlikely to have the street cred to pull that off on her new D1 team until well into the season at the earliest. The fact that she is an assistant coach's hand picked choice may be more of an impediment to earning that street cred than beneficial. And according to all data presented on the UNH thread, at least a portion of this group of girls (returners not the freshman) are by all accounts a tough crowd to break that doesn't take well to being led by example OR direction.

Then that portion of the team needs to be dealt with accordingly by the new coaching staff. It's not like they've done anything at UNH to show they are above "being led by example OR direction". Unless I am missing something, of course? :confused: :rolleyes:

If the incoming D3 junior is good enough, and buys into the new program, then the "street cred" crew can go sit in the stands (or in the case of undermanned UNH, enjoy the scraps of PT on the lower lines/pairings).

justahockeydad
09-11-2014, 11:40 AM
Heard Bowes took a player with him to UNH, can anyone confirm? How often does that happen D3 to D1?

he took jensen he spartans top goal scorer

i was wondering how it works to

the spartans have two transfers also

DelayedOffside
09-11-2014, 09:55 PM
Then that portion of the team needs to be dealt with accordingly by the new coaching staff. It's not like they've done anything at UNH to show they are above "being led by example OR direction". Unless I am missing something, of course? :confused: :rolleyes:

If the incoming D3 junior is good enough, and buys into the new program, then the "street cred" crew can go sit in the stands (or in the case of undermanned UNH, enjoy the scraps of PT on the lower lines/pairings).

Well said Chuck!

wpiguy
09-12-2014, 05:44 AM
Well said Chuck!
What are the NCAA rules? I believe Jensen will have to sit a year before she can play.

Call It
09-12-2014, 07:00 AM
What are the NCAA rules? I believe Jensen will have to sit a year before she can play.

No, you could even go from a D1 school to another D1 school with out sitting. Some conferences have their own rules they say you have to sit a year if you transfer within the conference.

PrezdeJohnson09
09-13-2014, 11:02 AM
What are the NCAA rules? I believe Jensen will have to sit a year before she can play.

I was under the impression a D-III player transferring up to D-I had to sit a year. That's certainly the case on the men's side.

It's a rule in place that keeps D1 schools from just mining D3 schools for talent.

claw
09-13-2014, 11:31 AM
I was under the impression a D-III player transferring up to D-I had to sit a year. That's certainly the case on the men's side.

It's a rule in place that keeps D1 schools from just mining D3 schools for talent.

Mens ice hockey has a transfer rule in place for anyone transferring into or within D1 hockey. This is similar to D1 football and D1 M/W basketball. If you transfer, you sit.

Most sports, including women's hockey have a 1 time transfer exception where students can transfer 1 time without any penalty. Subsequent transfers may require them to sit for a year.

DC78-82
09-15-2014, 07:44 AM
Mens ice hockey has a transfer rule in place for anyone transferring into or within D1 hockey. This is similar to D1 football and D1 M/W basketball. If you transfer, you sit.

Most sports, including women's hockey have a 1 time transfer exception where students can transfer 1 time without any penalty. Subsequent transfers may require them to sit for a year.

Transfer up in division - no sit rule. Play immediately
Transfer withing the same league (WCHA, Hockey East, ECAC (not sure about CHA) sit a year (eg Alexis Crossley, from UNH to BU sits this year from UNH to BU)
Transfer to a different league - play immediately (eg Megan Armstrong, from UNH to St. Lawrence) plays immediately

claw
09-15-2014, 07:46 AM
Transfer up in division - no sit rule. Play immediately
Transfer withing the same league (WCHA, Hockey East, ECAC (not sure about CHA) sit a year (eg Alexis Crossley, from UNH to BU sits this year from UNH to BU)
Transfer to a different league - play immediately (eg Megan Armstrong, from UNH to St. Lawrence) plays immediately

Those are conference rules, not NCAA rules.