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FiveHole12
08-09-2014, 04:55 PM
Appears to me a decision has already been made, either by the player, the coach or the school.
Also appears they don't think the details are any of your business, so they ain't going to tell you.

Sometimes that's just the way it is.

Ma#1ne Hky
08-09-2014, 05:02 PM
Has Lomborg actually said he was LEAVING Maine? Let the Court date take place then this mess should be figured out for all.

CollegeHockeyRinkReport
08-09-2014, 05:30 PM
Has Lomborg actually said he was LEAVING Maine? Let the Court date take place then this mess should be figured out for all.

I'm not sure why people are so unwilling to accept this. As I reported last month, Ryan Lomberg is no longer on the team. He's gone. He will play for Youngstown in USHL then join another NCAA team for the 2015-16 season.

walrus
08-09-2014, 05:58 PM
I'm not sure why people are so unwilling to accept this. As I reported last month, Ryan Lomberg is no longer on the team. He's gone. He will play for Youngstown in USHL then join another NCAA team for the 2015-16 season.

Why? because it sucks losing one of your best players. its tough to take but he is history. Wish him well. I'm sure some one will take a chance on him. I liked his play on the ice and though this was going to be a break out year for him.

CollegeHockeyRinkReport
08-09-2014, 06:25 PM
Why? because it sucks losing one of your best players. its tough to take but he is history. Wish him well. I'm sure some one will take a chance on him. I liked his play on the ice and though this was going to be a break out year for him.

Totally agree that he would have been an impact player the next two seasons. I liked his style of play and if someone can bring the best out of him every night, every shift, he'll be a big-time player.

amherstblackbear
08-09-2014, 10:26 PM
It's actually not very complicated, all the administration would have to do would be to collect all the relevant facts(if people don't want to talk than just focus on what evidence you do have), decide if Lomberg is guilty of something, and if he is guilty decide on the punishment. It really doesn't need to be any more complicated than that. It's not just for fans, I can't imagine the team enjoys this dragging on forever. Also, how about the parents of the kids on the team? Whether Lomberg is or is not on the team is going to determine how much some parents have to pay for this upcoming year. I would have to imagine Lomberg was on a full scholarship.

You and others want to turn this into some sort of major event and it really isn't. Look at the facts, the DA isn't even going to try him for simple assault it is such a weak case.

I think we disagree because you're looking at this specific case and trying to come up with a policy to fit it, and I'm trying to figure out what sort of policy would be both fair and workable not just in this case but in all similar ones.

There's only one way I can see a university acting faster than legal proceedings. If the university judges that there's a sufficient violation of university conduct, regardless of formal legal proceedings, I can see a university dismissing a student prior to legal disposition. I just don't see the reverse happening. More realistically, the university might suspend a student for the short-term, pending the conclusion of legal proceedings. But the U is not going to get out in front. That just isn't happening.

As for collecting facts, I just don't see that, either. I'm not a defense attorney, but my gut tells me that if I were, and a university official contacted me to request that my client share information regarding the case for university purposes, I'd laugh him out of the office. And if he insisted, I'd tell him to . . . ahh . . . engage in auto-fornication. Any attempt to collect facts on a faster-than-legal timetable is just bound to be biased against the student-athlete.

As for charges, I'm not inclined to read too much into them. You could be entirely right. It's also possible that the DA's office screwed up by not going after him harder. It's also possible that both of those scenarios are wrong and the truth is somewhere in between. If the case were borderline, knowing how serious a felony conviction might be for someone in Lomberg's career path, it's conceivable that Lomberg leaving Orono for somewhere > 1000 miles away made it easier to decide to pursue lesser charges.

There are just way too many unknowns for me, so I'm focusing on policy. And a policy that instructs the A.D. to conduct a completely separate, parallel investigation on the assumption that the university might see fit to exonerate a player regardless of legal outcome . . . that ain't happening.

Ma#1ne Hky
08-10-2014, 02:50 AM
I'm not sure why people are so unwilling to accept this. As I reported last month, Ryan Lomberg is no longer on the team. He's gone. He will play for Youngstown in USHL then join another NCAA team for the 2015-16 season.I'm not saying I don't accept it,just making sure it's set in stone that he is heading to the USHL.

Drew S.
08-10-2014, 09:04 AM
I think we disagree because you're looking at this specific case and trying to come up with a policy to fit it, and I'm trying to figure out what sort of policy would be both fair and workable not just in this case but in all similar ones.

There's only one way I can see a university acting faster than legal proceedings. If the university judges that there's a sufficient violation of university conduct, regardless of formal legal proceedings, I can see a university dismissing a student prior to legal disposition. I just don't see the reverse happening. More realistically, the university might suspend a student for the short-term, pending the conclusion of legal proceedings. But the U is not going to get out in front. That just isn't happening.

As for collecting facts, I just don't see that, either. I'm not a defense attorney, but my gut tells me that if I were, and a university official contacted me to request that my client share information regarding the case for university purposes, I'd laugh him out of the office. And if he insisted, I'd tell him to . . . ahh . . . engage in auto-fornication. Any attempt to collect facts on a faster-than-legal timetable is just bound to be biased against the student-athlete.

As for charges, I'm not inclined to read too much into them. You could be entirely right. It's also possible that the DA's office screwed up by not going after him harder. It's also possible that both of those scenarios are wrong and the truth is somewhere in between. If the case were borderline, knowing how serious a felony conviction might be for someone in Lomberg's career path, it's conceivable that Lomberg leaving Orono for somewhere > 1000 miles away made it easier to decide to pursue lesser charges.

There are just way too many unknowns for me, so I'm focusing on policy. And a policy that instructs the A.D. to conduct a completely separate, parallel investigation on the assumption that the university might see fit to exonerate a player regardless of legal outcome . . . that ain't happening.

I'll ask you this, what would you propose if this incident had happened last night or in a month? Should Lomberg have to sit out all year because that is how long it takes his case to work through the courts? How is that fair to him? I think one assumption you are making, and it is incorrect in some cases, is that whatever punishment the courts hand down is going to be worse than the punishment the school is going to hand down. I'm sure Lomberg is much more concerned about where he is going to be playing next year versus if he is going to pay a $500 fine or a $1000 fine.

What this all boils down to for me is not so much about having a policy or what the policy says, it is about the AD and others in administrative making decisions. I feel like this is a classic case of administrators hiding behind some policy and sticking their heads in the sand so they don't have to take action and make a decision. There's going to be instances such as this one where it isn't black and white at all. The AD and others in administration are very well compensated and should be capable of reaching a fair and equitable outcome for all involved in a reasonable amount of time.

To be clear, I'm not saying they should have found him not guilty of this. I think it would have been much better a couple weeks after it happened to have found him guilty of violating whatever code they have and banning him for a couple games. It's pretty obvious to me at this point, and it should have been to those in charge right after it happened, that this wasn't some sort of unprovoked or vicious attach he launched against the 'victim.' Could Lomberg have acted differently? I'm sure he could have, but at the same time athletes are human beings as well and it shouldn't be 100% on them to avoid conflicts.

ck1969
08-10-2014, 10:00 AM
I'm not saying I don't accept it,just making sure it's set in stone that he is heading to the USHL.

He's gone. The stone has been set.

http://www.youngstownphantoms.com/phantoms-acquire-lomberg-from-lincoln/

Drew S.
08-10-2014, 10:28 AM
He's gone. The stone has been set.

http://www.youngstownphantoms.com/phantoms-acquire-lomberg-from-lincoln/

If you read it closely all the draft picks are contingent on him turning up. He might not come back but I don't think it is completely resolved. His twitter profile still says he is Maine player. I don't think going to the USHL makes a lot of sense for him. If he gets kicked out of Maine I'm sure he would do it but I can't imagine he would want to unless he was forced into it. If he plays a year in the USHL, wouldn't he have to sit out a year at the school he transferred to? That was always my understanding of the transfer laws.

amherstblackbear
08-10-2014, 10:29 AM
I'll ask you this, what would you propose if this incident had happened last night or in a month? Should Lomberg have to sit out all year because that is how long it takes his case to work through the courts? How is that fair to him?

Perfection is too high an expectation. Even the best designed policies are going to lead to unfortunate situations. That's where someone needs the wisdom to realize that life isn't fair, and sometimes you need to move on. I'm not saying my solution is perfect. Just that it's less bad than any other one I can think of.

In your hypothetical, my solution would be that the university might be able to soften the blow if legal proceedings exonerated the player by allowing a redshirt for the 'lost' season. Again, it's not perfectly fair, but nothing is. And it's more feasible than the alternative.

With your plan, my fear is that, realistically, no A.D. is going to want to stick their neck out for a player knowing that they could be giving the university a huge black eye. And no player should have to compromise their legal defense to satisfy their athletic commitment. That's just ludicrous.

Again, I'm not willing to read too much into the choice of charges. Maybe if someone could give me an ironclad guarantee that the facts didn't support any other charge than a misdemeanor...but it still seems plausible that the DA showed compassion / took an easy win, knowing that Lomberg was already history at Maine.

edit:

Without being explicit about it, I'm assuming that an athletic director will be a bit of a coward regarding bureaucratic politics, but is an otherwise decent person. What if we relax that assumption (say, a football player at an SEC school). An unscrupulous AD could threaten to revoke a scholarship to force an accused player to compromise his legal defense, maybe even up to the point of perjury, to allow the AD to rationalize reinstatement of eligibility. Blech.

The criminal justice system and college sports are already imperfect enough as it is, without asking them to do each others' jobs. Keep 'em separate.

Ma#1ne Hky
08-10-2014, 11:34 AM
If you read it closely all the draft picks are contingent on him turning up. He might not come back but I don't think it is completely resolved. His twitter profile still says he is Maine player. I don't think going to the USHL makes a lot of sense for him. If he gets kicked out of Maine I'm sure he would do it but I can't imagine he would want to unless he was forced into it. If he plays a year in the USHL, wouldn't he have to sit out a year at the school he transferred to? That was always my understanding of the transfer laws.When or If he plays a season in the USHL he can go to any College team after the USHL season is completed...meaning he will be able to play say for a Western Michigan or a Vermont for the 2015-16 season.

Ma#1ne Hky
08-10-2014, 11:37 AM
He's gone. The stone has been set.

http://www.youngstownphantoms.com/phantoms-acquire-lomberg-from-lincoln/Ok...sounds from the article that it is a done deal.

blackbearbandie
08-10-2014, 06:06 PM
When or If he plays a season in the USHL he can go to any College team after the USHL season is completed...meaning he will be able to play say for a Western Michigan or a Vermont for the 2015-16 season.

A reliable source told me that those "in the know" are saying he has been suspended for 1 year from the University, and he would be able to reapply to UMaine after this academic year, but in order to have consideration he would need some anger management counseling and substance abuse counseling too, since the incident happened while he had been drinking, supposedly. Lomberg may choose a different career path after this season, but if he can earn a spot on the roster I think UMaine should seriously consider taking him back to show that people can redeem themselves. Just because someone does something bad doesn't make them a bad person. I hope Lomberg gets his chance for redemption.

BBDiehard14
08-11-2014, 08:02 AM
A reliable source told me that those "in the know" are saying he has been suspended for 1 year from the University, and he would be able to reapply to UMaine after this academic year, but in order to have consideration he would need some anger management counseling and substance abuse counseling too, since the incident happened while he had been drinking, supposedly. Lomberg may choose a different career path after this season, but if he can earn a spot on the roster I think UMaine should seriously consider taking him back to show that people can redeem themselves. Just because someone does something bad doesn't make them a bad person. I hope Lomberg gets his chance for redemption.




And who is this 'source'

BBDiehard14
08-11-2014, 10:03 AM
http://bangordailynews.com/2014/08/11/news/bangor/criminal-case-against-suspended-hockey-player-to-be-resolved-monday/?ref=polbeat

Drew S.
08-11-2014, 10:11 AM
http://bangordailynews.com/2014/08/11/news/bangor/criminal-case-against-suspended-hockey-player-to-be-resolved-monday/?ref=polbeat

Hopefully that is good news, what a boost it would be for the team and fans if he does come back.

BBDiehard14
08-11-2014, 11:00 AM
Hopefully that is good news, what a boost it would be for the team and fans if he does come back.




Let's keep our fingers crossed, but now it's Red's turn to have his way with him

blackbearbandie
08-11-2014, 03:06 PM
And who is this 'source'

If you follow the team you'd know the person, that's how well known they are with obvious connections that most wouldn't have. I'm hoping the source has been misinformed though and Lomberg will be back this season, but after the latest development today hopefully we'll hear something more conclusive either way because all we know is that he is suspended indefinitely and is not currently enrolled as a student.

all bear
08-11-2014, 04:36 PM
In the coming weeks, you will see UMaine institute the so called "Gerbe Rule" whereas as opposed to pardon for a lack of general intelligence, Lomberg will be excused for a general lack of self control. ;):D