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cool breeze
07-15-2014, 10:37 PM
There are 2 linesmen and 2 referees on the ice. How do all four miss this elbow? Ever seen a Hockey East game? Every game is just a series of completely random calls, having little to do with what's happening on the ice. You don't hope for good HE refs, or fair HE refs, you just hope they don't cost you the game.

Ma#1ne Hky
07-16-2014, 02:55 AM
Red was just on the Big Jab (96.3 FM)

Incoming Freshmen: We're real excited. Guite and Leach did a terrific job
Lack of Size: I felt we could use a little bit more size. Good teams have more balance to them.
Growth of hockey: No question that as the NHL has expanded youth hockey has expanded in non-traditional markets. Players now come from the Carolinas, Texas etc. The best player last year was from Florida
Expectations: On July 27 all of our Freshmen will be on campus. Will work out with strength coach, the ice is available. Once we get back on campus, they get tested and we start off-ice training and starting September 15 we are allowed 2 hours a week of on-ice coaching.
Goaltending: We really like our keepers. What we don't have is experience. It's basically wide open. Players will tell us who is worthy of playing time.

No mention of Lomberg.That is one area at the start of the season that I worry about: Goaltending,glad to hear they are HIGH on the 3 netminders...should be interesting and may take 6 to 10 games before someone takes hold of the #1 & #2 job...hopefully less...and would like to see two goalie tamden...but either way should be interesting and as always the Team/Program is still a work in Progress.

Wayuphere
07-16-2014, 07:30 AM
If true, anyone who kicks another in the face AFTER he is already down is a thug. I'll repeat, if true. Some of you are coming across as defending his actions, are you that hard up for another banner to hang? Good riddance, his negatives far outweighed his positives. Preston Ryan or Joey Diamond he isn't as he doesn't have that skill level and most definitely did not possess their will and efforts. He took too many nights off. More like the last year of Diamond's play. Selfish play due to no emotional control, can't find the "off switch". Take it elsewhere. I was not looking forward to 2 more years of both real and phantom penalty calls on him at critical times during close games. Thug reputations, both real or perceived, will do that. We need physical players with some grey matter between the ears who know how to "send messages" discreetly. Last year his elbows were up way too much. Officiating would have been all over him this season if he so much as farted on the ice.

umhockey91
07-16-2014, 07:54 AM
If true, anyone who kicks another in the face AFTER he is already down is a thug. I'll repeat, if true. Some of you are coming across as defending his actions, are you that hard up for another banner to hang? Good riddance, his negatives far outweighed his positives. Preston Ryan or Joey Diamond he isn't as he doesn't have that skill level and most definitely did not possess their will and efforts. He took too many nights off. More like the last year of Diamond's play. Selfish play due to no emotional control, can't find the "off switch". Take it elsewhere. I was not looking forward to 2 more years of both real and phantom penalty calls on him at critical times during close games. Thug reputations, both real or perceived, will do that. We need physical players with some grey matter between the ears who know how to "send messages" discreetly. Last year his elbows were up way too much. Officiating would have been all over him this season if he so much as farted on the ice.

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Here's the original BDN article if anyone needs a refresher.......

http://bangordailynews.com/2014/05/09/news/bangor/umaine-hockey-player-ryan-lomberg-facing-assault-charge-suspended-from-team/

AMC
07-16-2014, 08:58 AM
Maine Hockey loses if Ryan Lomberg leaves the team. Black and white. Not gray.

Winning stems from character. IF the allegations are true, Lomberg is short on it.

BBDiehard14
07-16-2014, 09:26 AM
If true, anyone who kicks another in the face AFTER he is already down is a thug. I'll repeat, if true. Some of you are coming across as defending his actions, are you that hard up for another banner to hang? Good riddance, his negatives far outweighed his positives. Preston Ryan or Joey Diamond he isn't as he doesn't have that skill level and most definitely did not possess their will and efforts. He took too many nights off. More like the last year of Diamond's play. Selfish play due to no emotional control, can't find the "off switch". Take it elsewhere. I was not looking forward to 2 more years of both real and phantom penalty calls on him at critical times during close games. Thug reputations, both real or perceived, will do that. We need physical players with some grey matter between the ears who know how to "send messages" discreetly. Last year his elbows were up way too much. Officiating would have been all over him this season if he so much as farted on the ice.



Hockey East officials hate Maine anyway. They bow down to UNH, BC and BU, more or less BC

Wayuphere
07-16-2014, 09:43 AM
Hockey East officials hate Maine anyway. They bow down to UNH, BC and BU, more or less BC

You really believe that? Maybe 10-20 years ago there was a "jealousy factor". We are far from those days now. Bad officiating against Maine of late has been more based on reputations, i.e. Diamond being labeled with R.L. headed down the same path. That to me is frustrating hockey to watch. Usually ends up being momentum killers.

BBDiehard14
07-16-2014, 10:28 AM
You really believe that? Maybe 10-20 years ago there was a "jealousy factor". We are far from those days now. Bad officiating against Maine of late has been more based on reputations, i.e. Diamond being labeled with R.L. headed down the same path. That to me is frustrating hockey to watch. Usually ends up being momentum killers.


Perhaps you don't remember the "embelishment" call against Abbott in the 2012 playoffs vs. 'Mack? Or that egregious whistle in Minnesota in 2002...same ref that kicked Walsh out of his last game.

Pucknut
07-16-2014, 10:52 AM
Perhaps you don't remember the "embelishment" call against Abbott in the 2012 playoffs vs. 'Mack? Or that egregious whistle in Minnesota in 2002...same ref that kicked Walsh out of his last game.

The much despised official by Maine fans is Steve Piotrowski the Coordinator of Menís Ice Hockey Officials for the Big Ten Hockey Conference.

Erix_The_Red
07-16-2014, 12:27 PM
Perhaps you don't remember the "embelishment" call against Abbott in the 2012 playoffs vs. 'Mack?

I don't know about institutionalized bias, but this one always gets be riled up. Worst call I have ever seen in any sport ever. http://youtu.be/SmIVPFQ-WS8
And now my blood is boiling. I need to take a walk.

BBDiehard14
07-16-2014, 01:19 PM
I don't know about institutionalized bias, but this one always gets be riled up. Worst call I have ever seen in any sport ever. http://youtu.be/SmIVPFQ-WS8
And now my blood is boiling. I need to take a walk.



That is the call I mentioned from the playoffs against Merrimack. Benedetto has had a habit of screwing Maine over

HHound
07-16-2014, 01:59 PM
That is the call I mentioned from the playoffs against Merrimack. Benedetto has had a habit of screwing Maine over

Don't feel special. Bennedetto is an equal opportunity screwer and quite experienced.

I saw Lomberg play at NU last winter. He was a capable, dangerous forward with a really nasty, thuglike edge to his play. One of those "if he's on your team, you love him. If he's the opponent, you hope he doesn't injure any of your guys." kinds of players. He played as though he was on the edge of losing control.

I hate to see the kid's goose cooked before it ever sees the oven, before he's had due process. Was he thrown to the wolves by Red or did he make the decision to leave (and possibly return in a year - or try his luck elsewhere)? If somehow he is found completely innocent, Red may need medical care for the gunshot wound to his foot.

Runsub5
07-16-2014, 02:26 PM
......... Was he thrown to the wolves by Red or did he make the decision to leave (and possibly return in a year - or try his luck elsewhere)? If somehow he is found completely innocent, Red may need medical care for the gunshot wound to his foot.

The situation is still very much in flux based on what I have read. His next court appearance should be coming up shortly. He has been suspended by the University until the case has been resolved. The decision on both suspension and perhaps reinstatement, is pretty much out of Red's control. Red may have some input but my guess is the University will be making the final decision based on the court outcome and the facts surrounding the charges.
Maine had a football player recently who was charged with assault and later went on to kill a person. Very tragic for everyone involved. I am sure the University is being very cautious and deliberate in handling this case.

AMC
07-17-2014, 12:52 PM
I am not exactly shocked that the lynch mob is a bit more silent after reading the above.
rule number 1: the BDN does not report events as they occur.
rule number 2: police reports include ONLY allegations that support a charge, and NEVER exculpatory information

We don't respond to you because engaging with people in tin foil hats is usually counterproductive.

AMC
07-17-2014, 02:06 PM
you do not engage because you have no ability to formulate a cogent thought regarding the criminal justice system and WHY Lomberg was charged with a misdemeanor IF what the BDN reported was correct.

and your misuse of "tin foil hat" as an insult is kinda sad. you have no idea who I am and what I know and how I learned it. You disagree with me because you choose to believe what you want to believe. (Hamilton/posse, e.g.)

I believe what I was told by Hamilton's teammates, who would have no reason to paint him in a worse light than reality would paint him in. And what they told me was exactly what a baseball player who was present told me. There was no dispute over Hamilton's actions or his motives.

Regardless, I will respond to your "interpretations" of Maine's Criminal Code. Interpretations is in scare quotes because I don't believe you have actually read the law. In Maine, "Assault" is a Class D crime, Title 17-A, S. 206. "A person is guilty of assault if: The person intentionally, knowingly or recklessly causes bodily injury or offensive physical contact to another person." What you are referring to as felony assault is, in Maine, actually termed "Aggravated Assault," a Class B crime, Title 17-A, S. 208. "A person is guilty of aggravated assault if he intentionally, knowingly or recklessly causes: Serious bodily injury to another(.)"

Now, let's investigate the differences between those two laws and compare them to your analyses. Both contain the same state of mind from the assailant: intentionally, knowingly, recklessly. So what the assailant was thinking doesn't matter in distinguishing between a misdemeanor and a felony. Both also fail to distinguish between the action that causes bodily injury. The only disparity between the two statutes is the term "serious."

Therefore, under Maine law, HOW you commit assault doesn't matter (*I will note here that assault with a dangerous weapon, and assault manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life are alternate avenues to an aggravated assault charge, but no one is alleging either happened here). I could use your head as a trampoline, and if you are no worse for the wear, it is simple assault. Alternatively, I could knock you over with a feather, and if you break your neck it could be aggravated assault.

In your analysis, you are focused on the actions of the assailant, Lomberg. Your contention is that kicking someone in the head is a serious way to assault someone, and therefore must be aggravated assault. However, Lomberg's actions are not the distinguishing factor between a misdemeanor and a felony. The victim's injuries are. Here, we have an apparent broken nose and concussion. Now, I am not a Maine criminal lawyer, so I can't tell you what the threshold is for an injury, but it seems that for whatever reason the DA's office has not determined that the victim's injuries were enough to cross the boundary from "bodily injury" to "serious bodily injury." The word "serious" could mean different things to different people, and spending time convincing the jury that these injuries are serious could have been considered not an ideal use of limited prosecutorial resources.

BBDiehard14
07-17-2014, 02:28 PM
Interesting read on a situation at Texas Tech. Similar to Lomberg? Different?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11224838/nigel-bethel-ii-texas-tech-reinstated-assault-charges-dropped

BBDiehard14
07-18-2014, 08:39 AM
http://fillthesteins.bangordailynews.com/2014/07/18/brian-macleod/ryan-lombergs-exit-is-best-for-both-the-player-and-umaine/?utm_campaign=Bangor+Daily+News&utm_source=bangor-widget

TERRIERFANinLA
07-18-2014, 09:46 AM
Both contain the same state of mind from the assailant: intentionally, knowingly, recklessly. So what the assailant was thinking doesn't matter in distinguishing between a misdemeanor and a felony. Both also fail to distinguish between the action that causes bodily injury. .

you have so grossly misquoted the statutes and come to an incorrect conclusion in order to "win" a pis5ing contest, I hope that others have lost whatever respect for you that I never had.

also, apparently you have not bothered to look into ANY caselaw to see how the ole stare decisis thing works.

I sincerely hope that you are not (also) an attorney.

BU2K
07-18-2014, 09:49 AM
AMC,
The confusion on the shod foot thing comes from the difference in state laws. In Mass, it can be considered assault with a deadly weapon and thus a felony.

Also known as a "Sabo" to our friends from Chestnut Hill. :)

This is provided for information purposes only and should not be construed as support to any poster with or without a tin foil hat.

Drew S.
07-18-2014, 10:02 AM
http://fillthesteins.bangordailynews.com/2014/07/18/brian-macleod/ryan-lombergs-exit-is-best-for-both-the-player-and-umaine/?utm_campaign=Bangor+Daily+News&utm_source=bangor-widget

I really can't believe someone who is supposedly a Maine 'fan' wrote this. I used to think Maine fans were some of the best in the world, a big part of that was loyalty and supporting the team no matter what. There are no doubt still a lot of great fans but it's pretty discouraging to read that idiot and Runsub's nonsense. In case people haven't noticed Maine's hockey has been pretty average the last seven or eight years. With all the parity in today's game having Lomberg on the team is probably worth a couple places in the standings next year and could very well be the difference between making the NCAA's or not. If it is determined he is a danger to people on campus the school would be wise to remove him, but to do it to be PC or holier than though is nothing but an insult to the true fans and quite frankly disgusting.