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  • #61
    Re: RPI Offseason Thread: 7 Months of Drivel

    Originally posted by jmhusker View Post
    Seth was a goalie. Patrick Roy aside, I can't name many ex-goalies that made great coaches. All those years in hockey learning skills and strategies that for the most part do not apply at all to the other 18 skaters on the ice. Forwards with good defensive skills and defensemen usually work out better. How much longer will it be until OVIE frees up Adam Oates for us? Can we all suffer through mediocrity that much longer?
    There have been quite a few - Jacques Martin from SLU, Shawn Walsh at U-Maine. It is not as common, but Goalies have a great opportunity to learn if they pay attention.

    I have no clue as I never really follow RPI but RPI was pretty close to the promise land a dozen years ago under Fridgen when they had Brad Tapper. They were one of the toughest teams to beat in the league.

    As for Dr.D's question, it's a fine line between bringing guys in too early and needing depth. Depth is crucial and I think the biggest damage to RPI's season is the injury to your star goalie at the beginning of the season. I think that had a mental impact on the team. I would say that RPI does tend to have guys that take too many penalties and that is related to coaching.

    What I do know for sure is that there is extreme parity in the game today. It is very hard to build a dynasty or a dominant team. You have to do it by finding some diamonds in the rough, some role players that create chemistry and having a few guys turn out better than projected. Even with that, someone leaves early for the pros, or gets injured or in academic trouble and it can fold fast. SLU had a bright future a dozen years ago, then Dietrich and Gustafson left early for the pros and the defending ECAC champs were already down their two best players two months before the season started.

    Anyway, whatever you have going on DrDemento, hope it works out and everything is alright.

    Final though is you don't want Adam Oates as your coach. He is one weird dude and I don't think he is the guy that could pull in recruits with his charisma. I might take a hard look at someone like PJ Flanagan who was a long time men's assistant, then Women's coach at SLU and now women's coach at Syracuse.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by DeepRed72 View Post
      My prayers to the Doc. May you find comfort in the affection shown for you by all the posters on this forum. God bless.
      +1.

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      • #63
        Re: RPI Offseason Thread: 7 Months of Drivel

        Originally posted by hockeymascot View Post
        By definition, a walk-on is someone who attends RPI and is not recruited - hence, they "walk-on" to the team. It has nothing to do with not receiving scholarship. If Polacek was recruited, he would not be considered a walk-on!
        Not true. A walk-on is someone that doesn't receive a full or partial scholarship or the promise of one. Many walk-ons are in fact recruited and the coaches often go and watch them and maybe even bring them in for a visit. SLU has had a lot of great walk-on's such as Kyle Rank or All-American goalie Erik Heffler. SLU staff knew about them, wanted them, the Raley brothers, but couldn't or didn't offer them money. At least, not at first but I know that many were given money at the end of their careers such as Rank.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by ibanezist00 View Post
          It's honestly not that bad, either. To be frank, when it really comes down to it, I am more worried about what is happening on the ice, anyway. I think that the negative Nancies are just coming out of the woodwork now that we've blown another playoff series.

          I'd like them back at the end, too, but I know that complaining about it on USCHO isn't going to make it happen.
          Im always ecstatic to just see them at the games.

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          • #65
            Re: RPI Offseason Thread: 7 Months of Drivel

            Originally posted by Got 6, Want More View Post
            Not true. A walk-on is someone that doesn't receive a full or partial scholarship or the promise of one. Many walk-ons are in fact recruited and the coaches often go and watch them and maybe even bring them in for a visit. SLU has had a lot of great walk-on's such as Kyle Rank or All-American goalie Erik Heffler. SLU staff knew about them, wanted them, the Raley brothers, but couldn't or didn't offer them money. At least, not at first but I know that many were given money at the end of their careers such as Rank.
            So.....you are describing a "recruited" walk-on, and I was describing a non recruited walk-on. Correct? Which means they are both walk-ons!!
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            • #66
              Re: RPI Offseason Thread: 7 Months of Drivel

              Originally posted by AspyDad View Post
              Always enjoy the give and take. I like St. Louis trade (Martin that is not Ryan). See you soon.
              Yea, not always going to agree but no biggie. I like the trade. They had no choice. Can't pay Cally that much money. See you soon.

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              • #67
                Re: RPI Offseason Thread: 7 Months of Drivel

                Originally posted by DeepRed72 View Post
                Ralph, you got it wrong - the title should have read, "7 YEARS of Drivel"
                At the rate we started, it might only be 10 days of drivel on this thread.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by hockeymascot View Post
                  So.....you are describing a "recruited" walk-on, and I was describing a non recruited walk-on. Correct? Which means they are both walk-ons!!
                  So now you say it can be both ways? Below, you specifically said recruited players are not walk-ons.

                  My opinion is that a walk-on doesn't receive scholarship money (if the school gives scholarships. Obviously Union, RIT, and the Ivies aren't full of "walk-on" players.)

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                  • #69
                    Re: RPI Offseason Thread: 7 Months of Drivel

                    Originally posted by hockeyplayer1015 View Post
                    So now you say it can be both ways? Below, you specifically said recruited players are not walk-ons.

                    My opinion is that a walk-on doesn't receive scholarship money (if the school gives scholarships. Obviously Union, RIT, and the Ivies aren't full of "walk-on" players.)
                    Let me try to clarify. I originally stated a walk on to be a non-recruited student athlete and already going to attend X institution....he tries out for the team and makes it.....hence a walk on. Got 6 said a walk on was someone who can be recruited but receives no scholarship money. Why don't you define what I am describing and define what you and he are describing. Are they not both walk ons?
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                    • #70
                      Re: RPI Offseason Thread: 7 Months of Drivel

                      Originally posted by hockeyplayer1015 View Post
                      So now you say it can be both ways? Below, you specifically said recruited players are not walk-ons.

                      My opinion is that a walk-on doesn't receive scholarship money (if the school gives scholarships. Obviously Union, RIT, and the Ivies aren't full of "walk-on" players.)
                      Yeah, I am not sure what's going on here either. It's different when there are non-scholarship schools but in my years of following D-1 hockey there are really only two types of players those recruited, promised a roster spot and a role on the team and money if money is granted; and those that the coaching staff talks to and is not ready to offer them a roster spot, a role on the team and money. I am not sure how many schools in D1 hockey use Letters of Intent, I think most work with Verbal Commitments. I don't think there has ever been a walk-on in the sense of a player just showing up, meeting the coaches for the first time and making the team. I mean, the coaches even told Chris Wells he should not go to SLU and should go to Middlebury for D-3, but he didn't listen, made the team, was a key guy chemistry wise all 4 years and wore the A as a senior scoring the OT winner in the Garden in 1992 against RPI. Coaches knew he was coming. Coaches roomed him with other hockey players but coaches told him they didn't leave a roster spot open for him. Since his dad was a professor, money wasn't a factor for him. Just sayin' what it really boils down to is whether a player is promised a roster spot or whether it is more of a show up and try out and we aren't promising anything.
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                      • #71
                        Re: RPI Offseason Thread: 7 Months of Drivel

                        Isn't semantics wonderful?

                        IMHO, there are 1. recruited players who get athletic scholarship money, 2. recruited players who don't get athletic scholarship money, 3. unrecruited players who try out with or without previous contact with the coaching staff. The second category is often described as recruited walk-on (skate-on?). As we know Bokenfohr is in category 2.
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                        • #72
                          Re: RPI Offseason Thread: 7 Months of Drivel

                          Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
                          Isn't semantics wonderful?

                          IMHO, there are 1. recruited players who get athletic scholarship money, 2. recruited players who don't get athletic scholarship money, 3. unrecruited players who try out with or without previous contact with the coaching staff. The second category is often described as recruited walk-on (skate-on?). As we know Bokenfohr is in category 2.
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                          • #73
                            Re: RPI Offseason Thread: 7 Months of Drivel

                            Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
                            Isn't semantics wonderful?

                            IMHO, there are 1. recruited players who get athletic scholarship money, 2. recruited players who don't get athletic scholarship money, 3. unrecruited players who try out with or without previous contact with the coaching staff. The second category is often described as recruited walk-on (skate-on?). As we know Bokenfohr is in category 2.
                            Exactly....see post #65.
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                            • #74
                              Re: RPI Offseason Thread: 7 Months of Drivel

                              Originally posted by lugnut92 View Post
                              ****ING GET OVER IT. WE'RE NOT MOVING BACK. WE DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE. a
                              You guys do a great job. I sit in Sec 9 right across from you guys and you sound good as ever. Can you guys work in the James Bond theme next year???
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                              • #75
                                Re: RPI Offseason Thread: 7 Months of Drivel

                                Originally posted by AspyDad View Post
                                Hey Ralph, where can I find +/- for the year???
                                http://www.collegehockeynews.com/sta.../Rensselaer/48

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