2014 Frozen Four Info Thread

[Bonin21]

Re: 2014 Frozen Four Info Thread

For the newbie here, which place at Reading Terminal Market has this "Best Sandwich in America"?

Dinic's roast pork:
http://www.travelchannel.com/video/f...te-dinics-pork
John's Roast Pork cheesesteak was top four:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Ri...ich_in_America

[hobeydog]

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In addition to those great suggestions, I think most will be pleased with the many sandwich options at the ballpark. Former Phillie, Greg Luzinski runs Bull's BBQ and there is another sandwich called the "Schmitter"(not named after Mike Schmidt but the old Philly brew, Schmidts) available. Lots of unique choices at the ballpark.

Unfortunately, I can't handle many of the big sandwiches because I took a few high sticks and pucks back in the day, if you catch my drift.

[LTsatch]

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Hello. This is the Department of Redundancy Department. Hello!

Please tell me what I missed?

[LTsatch]

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the old Philly brew, Schmidts)

Schmidts Oktoberfest was a great beer back in the day! A very serious bock beer.

[Scarlet]

Re: 2014 Frozen Four Info Thread

Are they going to have a FanFest again? And when they have a display of the tournament will they have mistakes like last year?

[mookie1995]

In addition to those great suggestions, I think most will be pleased with the many sandwich options at the ballpark. Former Phillie, Greg Luzinski runs Bull's BBQ and there is another sandwich called the "Schmitter"(not named after Mike Schmidt but the old Philly brew, Schmidts) available. Lots of unique choices at the ballpark.

they love us, SCHMIDTS
they love us, SCHMIDTS

tv commercials stick in the mind of a misspent youth...

[Biddco]

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Pretty sure that most of the Frozen Fours are on Masters weekend.

[Patman]

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Pretty sure that most of the Frozen Fours are on Masters weekend.

hey, if we can get the season taken out to may maybe we should go with it

[sterlippo1]

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where can you get a steak sandwich with real cheese and not this lame cheese sauce philly is known fir???

you mean the cheese wiz? have to look at the entire body of work. Pat's over Geno's 1000X over.................embrace the cheese wiz, it's Philly cheese steak original but you can get provolone if you want. Just know how to order or they will look at you like you have 3 eyes! for example, "cheese steak wit" ..................Reading Terminal Market. Incredible place for foodies and it seemingly never ends. I love it

[J.D.]

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you from there originally?

by the way, isn't it odd that so many tix are still available through the ncaa? figured at this point it would all be through places like stub hub etc.

[DLG]

Re: 2014 Frozen Four Info Thread

you from there originally?

by the way, isn't it odd that so many tix are still available through the ncaa? figured at this point it would all be through places like stub hub etc.

with their partner Ticketmaster they are trying to get Stubhubs business
I am going to hate if in like Pittsburgh the arena is virtually full and their are many empty seats at center ice lower bowl

[Onion Man]

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I think the fact that this FF will have a much better known field of teams will help that.

[CLS]

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you from there originally?

by the way, isn't it odd that so many tix are still available through the ncaa? figured at this point it would all be through places like stub hub etc.

Not at all, it’s a natural evolution, with cataclysmic events in 2005 and 2010.

Looking at the history:

2000 (Providence), 2001 (Albany): last times FF was in a “small” rink. Tickets were hard to get, many folks who wanted tickets were unable to get them. There was a healthy, even lucrative secondary market. Scalpers saw FF tickets as a good investment. Fans of specific teams saw FF tickets as a no-risk purchase; if their team made it, they have a ticket; if their team didn’t make it, they could sell it at face price, or more. In fact it was risky not to buy tickets; if your team did make it, you either couldn’t get tickets or you’d pay a huge markup.

2002 (St. Paul), 2003 (Buffalo), 2004 (Boston): Good locations and teams kept demand fairly brisk. Some cracks in the armor appeared in Buffalo, where scalpers weren’t doing well. Tickets were available at face or below.

2005 (Columbus): Combination of so-so location and bad luck of having four distant teams from the same conference, a couple not having large traveling fan bases was disaster for the scalpers; premium seats at face or below. Some fans of specific teams got badly burned; they literally were not able to give their tickets away and had to eat them.

2006 (Milwaukee), 2007 (St. Louis), 2008 (Denver), 2009 (Washington): Nice locations, mix of teams. Milwaukee particularly benefited from success of Wisconsin, but scalpers weren’t investing as much and fans of specific teams who had gotten burned in Columbus no longer saw FF tickets as a no-risk purchase. In fact, they had discovered that if their team made it, they could probably get a ticket on the secondary market at a reasonable price.

2010 (Ford Field): Incredibly stupid decision by NCAA basically killed what was left of the secondary market. No reason whatsoever to buy a ticket ahead of time, except habit, and some long time attendees boycotted or attended and were turned off.

2011 (St. Paul), 2012 (Tampa), 2013 (Pittsburgh): Reasonably successful, but “lottery” started to look more like a “pre-sale”. Fewer investor/scalpers, very few fans of specific teams bought tickets as a hedge. Movement to tiered pricing eliminated one of the benefits (better seat at single price) of buying ahead of time.

[Onion Man]

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The only "non traditional" locale that worked was Tampa. That FF was fantastic.

[hobeydog]

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Not at all, it’s a natural evolution, with cataclysmic events in 2005 and 2010.

Looking at the history:

2000 (Providence), 2001 (Albany): last times FF was in a “small” rink. Tickets were hard to get, many folks who wanted tickets were unable to get them. There was a healthy, even lucrative secondary market. Scalpers saw FF tickets as a good investment. Fans of specific teams saw FF tickets as a no-risk purchase; if their team made it, they have a ticket; if their team didn’t make it, they could sell it at face price, or more. In fact it was risky not to buy tickets; if your team did make it, you either couldn’t get tickets or you’d pay a huge markup.

2002 (St. Paul), 2003 (Buffalo), 2004 (Boston): Good locations and teams kept demand fairly brisk. Some cracks in the armor appeared in Buffalo, where scalpers weren’t doing well. Tickets were available at face or below.

2005 (Columbus): Combination of so-so location and bad luck of having four distant teams from the same conference, a couple not having large traveling fan bases was disaster for the scalpers; premium seats at face or below. Some fans of specific teams got badly burned; they literally were not able to give their tickets away and had to eat them.

2006 (Milwaukee), 2007 (St. Louis), 2008 (Denver), 2009 (Washington): Nice locations, mix of teams. Milwaukee particularly benefited from success of Wisconsin, but scalpers weren’t investing as much and fans of specific teams who had gotten burned in Columbus no longer saw FF tickets as a no-risk purchase. In fact, they had discovered that if their team made it, they could probably get a ticket on the secondary market at a reasonable price.

2010 (Ford Field): Incredibly stupid decision by NCAA basically killed what was left of the secondary market. No reason whatsoever to buy a ticket ahead of time, except habit, and some long time attendees boycotted or attended and were turned off.

2011 (St. Paul), 2012 (Tampa), 2013 (Pittsburgh): Reasonably successful, but “lottery” started to look more like a “pre-sale”. Fewer investor/scalpers, very few fans of specific teams bought tickets as a hedge. Movement to tiered pricing eliminated one of the benefits (better seat at single price) of buying ahead of time.

You're right on target with your analysis, in my view. One other dynamic to consider. Attendance at all live sports events is facing increased pressure from the "in home" and "sports bar" experience. Even the vaunted NFL is concerned.

That said, I'm paying $1,000 for tickets to treat my son, daughter-in-law, and grandson(a budding mite player) to their first frozen four. And that's one of the reasons for selecting a first-time site like Philly.