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    Rivalries - what make's it "the best around"?

    So many times you hear that a fan of one team says that his/her school's rivalry with whatever school is the best going. What criteria do you set for that? Is it how tight the games always are? Is it penalty count? The types of penalties? Is it in the fanbases and their treatment of one another?

    I ask because I just read someone claiming theirs is the best around and my first reaction was to laugh at it. Clearly that person has never seen a Whioux/Gopher game (thinking about the handshake fights, or guys flying over the boards to take out whoever in years past), a DU/CC game, or a Whioux/BADger game. All are former WCHA bouts, as that's where most of my experience in watching games lies. The highlights of those games have been intense and you can sometimes see the spit fly from the players' mouths as they're yelling at each other. I'd consider them all for the top contenders for best rivalry around.
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    Re: Rivalries - what make's it "the best around"?

    I hear you, everyone thinks that their own rivalry is the best. I guess in an attempt to answer your question it might be that one side (michigan state) only plays well when they are playing the other (Michigan). The best chants are reserved for this game too. The absolute hatred of the other side, the hits are harder, players skate faster, you hear more expletives fly, the simple fact that the rivalry transcends all sports/activities. Of course most people consider the Michigan-ohio state rivalry the best but that is because of the immense popularity of football. However, if you talk to a Michigan Hockey fan it is sparty that we hate the most. The Michigan-michigan state hockey rivalry trumps all (but it just isn't as well known especially with sparty sucking big blue balls now)...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udTsbf4e9d0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI-sYE1DsMs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZOABV6S-M0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKri58R745c

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michiga...hockey_rivalry

    http://www.msuspartans.com/allaccess/?media=356272

    http://www.michigandaily.com/sports/...-focus-weekend

    But like I said, every team thinks that their rivalry is the biggest. BC/BU, Minny/NoDak, etc. They're all big...
    Originally posted by alfablue
    Still bitter, eh? Gotta get over it someday. He left, and UMICH was right.
    Originally posted by Nick Papagiorgio
    I think Notre Dame should wear sparkly silver helmets to match all their runner-up trophies.

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    • #3
      Re: Rivalries - what make's it "the best around"?

      What makes it "the best around"? It must include Minnesota and North Dakota. That's all.
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      • #4
        Re: Rivalries - what make's it "the best around"?

        Not being a huge fan of either school, BC/BU games are fun. The interplay between the fans is HILARIOUS.

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        • #5
          Re: Rivalries - what make's it "the best around"?

          To quote the late Quintus Arrius:
          Your eyes are full of hate, forty-one. That's good. Hate keeps a man alive. It gives him strength.
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          • #6
            Re: Rivalries - what make's it "the best around"?

            If I were creating a matrix, I would include:

            Passion
            History
            Stakes
            Drama
            Proximity
            Arenas
            Intensity of rivalries is other sports...
            Parity

            I don't think the following matter (as much)

            Size of following
            National media coverage
            Cheerleaders

            Rivalries I've witnessed in person:

            BU - BC
            ME - UNH
            Yale - Quinnipiac (newest)
            Colby - Bowdoin
            Harvard - Cornell

            Bucket List:

            Colorado - DU
            Michigan - Michigan State
            NoDak - Minn
            Harvard - Cornell (at Cornell)

            What am I missing?

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            • #7
              Re: Rivalries - what make's it "the best around"?

              In Alaska the shared global geographic isolation as well as the dramatically different communities of the two schools contributes mightily to UAA/UA_ being a very intense rivalry. History is a big part of it as well, but the fact that people who live in Fairbanks don't like Anchorage and vice-versa is really what drives it.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Oldguy View Post
                If I were creating a matrix, I would include:

                Passion
                History
                Stakes
                Drama
                Proximity
                Arenas
                Intensity of rivalries is other sports...
                Parity

                I don't think the following matter (as much)

                Size of following
                National media coverage
                Cheerleaders

                Rivalries I've witnessed in person:

                BU - BC
                ME - UNH
                Yale - Quinnipiac (newest)
                Colby - Bowdoin
                Harvard - Cornell

                Bucket List:

                Colorado - DU
                Michigan - Michigan State
                NoDak - Minn
                Harvard - Cornell (at Cornell)

                What am I missing?
                Harvard-Cornell is VERY one-sided. It was manufactured by Cornell fans in an attempt to replace BU as their primary rival after BU joined HE. Any Harvard fan, I would bet, would tell you the biggest rivalry is with Yale, even though there isn't much history between the two in hockey. That's one that transcends all sports.

                With that said, I'd love to go see a Harvard-Cornell game at Lynah. The contempt Big Red fans have for Harvard is wildly entertaining.

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                • #9
                  Re: Rivalries - what make's it "the best around"?

                  I say no school is worthy of rival status unless your fans have thrown their dead mascot on the ice. Often.

                  And if most of the male fans in attendance get a woody seeing that happen, you have yourself a jimdandy rivalry.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Rivalries - what make's it "the best around"?

                    I hate to be the one to post this for the 3,000th time, and I don't know about it being "The Greatest Rivalry", we don't even play the wagon jockeys this year. But someone be sure to call me when this incident is topped.
                    Originally posted by WiscTJK
                    I'm with Wisko and Tim.
                    Originally posted by Timothy A
                    Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Rivalries - what make's it "the best around"?

                      Originally posted by Oldguy View Post
                      If I were creating a matrix, I would include:

                      Passion
                      History
                      Stakes
                      Drama
                      Proximity
                      Arenas
                      Intensity of rivalries is other sports...
                      Parity

                      I don't think the following matter (as much)

                      Size of following
                      National media coverage
                      Cheerleaders

                      Rivalries I've witnessed in person:

                      BU - BC
                      ME - UNH
                      Yale - Quinnipiac (newest)
                      Colby - Bowdoin
                      Harvard - Cornell

                      Bucket List:

                      Colorado - DU
                      Michigan - Michigan State
                      NoDak - Minn
                      Harvard - Cornell (at Cornell)

                      What am I missing?
                      Since you're throwing D-III in the mix, Oswego-Plattsburgh

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                      • #12
                        Re: Rivalries - what make's it "the best around"?

                        One guide might be to look at rivalries from other sports to see what they have in common:

                        In pro football, I'd be partial to Bears - Packers as "the" rivalry.

                        In pro baseball, "Yankees - Red Sox"

                        In college football, for many years it was "Harvard - Yale" which might now be "Alabama - Auburn," [EDIT: or Ohio State Michigan, how could i overlook that the first time??] I don't really follow the sport that much.


                        From what I've heard, either North Dakota - Minnesota or Wisconsin - Minnesota sound like the top college hockey rivalries. This has the makings of a good poll...
                        Last edited by FreshFish; 12-06-2013, 06:44 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Rivalries - what make's it "the best around"?

                          The only problem with this being a poll is that it will quickly degenerate into the entire population of Minnesota trying to decided if they dislike UND or Wisconsin more.

                          Come to think of it, let's have a poll!
                          Last edited by Jon; 12-06-2013, 05:33 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Wisko McBadgerton View Post
                            I hate to be the one to post this for the 3,000th time, and I don't know about it being "The Greatest Rivalry", we don't even play the wagon jockeys this year. But someone be sure to call me when this incident is topped.
                            "It's always North Dakota that's involved"

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                            • #15
                              Re: Rivalries - what make's it "the best around"?

                              Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                              "It's always North Dakota that's involved"
                              What do you expect when all those people keep saying things about their mothers?

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