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Originally posted by amherstblackbear View PostTo the point of *this* article -- it does seem strange that Standbrook wasn't the very first person Maine contacted regarding the search.
Originally posted by amherstblackbear View PostStill, I do think it's getting to be time for Jimmy to stop making public comments regarding Maine hockey -- and for Larry to stop asking. The miscommunication surrounding Maine's search isn't all on Abbott. Jimmy's comments about never being contacted may have been literally true, in the context of the specific question he was asked, but they were misleading nevertheless. If he were really interested in the job, he could have been more proactive when he DID speak to Abbott. He could have told DU that he needed a couple days to sleep on the offer, and quietly gotten Maine on the phone.
I understand both of these guys had some special times up in Orono, but there seems to be an overriding assumption here that there is an attachment, if not on obligation owed to UMaine by these guys ... and I'm happy to be shown the error(s) in my thinking here, but I'm really struggling to try to see why that's the case.
P.S. - BTW, who is this Spock guy? Is he on the committee, or is he a candidate??Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
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Originally posted by Drew S. View PostDoes Grant have much for ties with the current Maine administration? I think that could be the biggest reason they haven't been in touch.
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Originally posted by Chuck Murray View PostListen, I know I wasn't paying as close attention as I did in the old days when Grant separated from UMaine ... but there was a separation, right? And Grant has been working with other teams/programs since, correct? And as Drew just mentioned, he may not have current ties with UMaine and/or its hiring committee? We don't know that UMaine didn't consider asking Grant about being on the committee (or not), do we? But please tell me ... exactly what would have been in it for Grant?
As for ties . . . as far as I know, Maine hockey doesn't have direct ties to Peter Metcalf, either, and he's (1) been separated from Maine hockey for longer than Grant has, and (2) had substantially less history with Maine hockey than Grant to begin with.
I gotta be honest with you - I'm having a really hard time understanding why it might be confusing that Maine should have invited Standbrook. Whether or not he accepts is a separate issue.
More proactive ... how? Begging for the UMaine job, and in doing so, bypassing a pretty nice opportunity for what appears to be a lot more money and better resources in Denver?
I understand both of these guys had some special times up in Orono, but there seems to be an overriding assumption here that there is an attachment, if not on obligation owed to UMaine by these guys ... and I'm happy to be shown the error(s) in my thinking here, but I'm really struggling to try to see why that's the case.
*There was an article earlier this spring that suggested Montgomery was super interested in the future of Maine hockey, interested in the job specifically, and that he was shocked (and hurt?) that nobody ever spoke to him about it. As a result of that article, the nutcases nearly lynched Steve Abbott. Further reporting suggested that Montgomery's comments may have been a wee bit lawyer-istic. What do you know -- he and Abbott did speak the same week that Whitehead was fired. What did they talk about? Neither Abbott nor Montgomery will say, but I'm guessing it wasn't about American Idol or the weather.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not endorsing how Abbott has handled things. But I'm also increasingly convinced that Montgomery is actually a better politician than Abbott is. He certainly seems to have the speaking out of both sides of his mouth thing down. Unless the BDN has been taking him wildly out of context. But if that were the case, why would Montgomery still be talking to the BDN?Last edited by amherstblackbear; 04-20-2013, 02:10 PM.1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1995 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2012(!)
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Originally posted by amherstblackbear View PostCompensation? Influence? What difference does it make?
Originally posted by amherstblackbear View PostAs for ties . . . as far as I know, Maine hockey doesn't have direct ties to Peter Metcalf, either, and he's (1) been separated from Maine hockey for longer than Grant has, and (2) had substantially less history with Maine hockey than Grant to begin with.
I gotta be honest with you - I'm having a really hard time understanding why it might be confusing that Maine should have invited Standbrook. Whether or not he accepts is a separate issue.
Originally posted by amherstblackbear View PostI think you're out of the loop and missing the context. My post was a subtle suggestion to the big Montgomery supporters among us (read: not you) that maybe all the Montgomery-to-Orono talk was wishful thinking to begin with.Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
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I could be wrong re: not inviting Standbrook to be on the committee. I thought it came from one of Larry Mahoney's "Hey, I talked to Jimmy again" articles in the BDN. My reading was that Montgomery expressed surprised that Maine didn't invite Standbrook -- emphasis on invite.
Again, whether or not Grant accepts -- and whatever his motivations for doing so (or not) -- that's his business. It's the suggestion that he wasn't asked that's provocative.
To be extra, extra clear - I'm not criticizing Montgomery for taking the DU job. He told the Denver Post it was the job he wanted . . . and I believe him.
To the extent that I'm criticizing Montgomery, I'm criticizing him for continuing his "Hey, don't blame me -- I'm the good guy here" public relations routine in the Bangor Daily News.Last edited by amherstblackbear; 04-20-2013, 02:22 PM.1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1995 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2012(!)
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Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post..........Do we know for a fact that UMaine didn't consider inviting him or did invite him, but he signaled/told them outright "thanks but no thanks"?
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I'd bet they didn't invite Grant as I don't believe he is around as he lives in Fla. most of the year. I think once he walked away that was it. Tim surely didn't want him around and I'd bet he can take a hintI swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell.
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If they wanted Jimmy for the job, or if they even thought of him as a top 1 or 2 candidate they would've called him the minute they fired Timmay. IMO their plan all along was to hire Bob. I can only imagine his salary will be substantially lower than 190K. Maybe they like what he had to say all along...ie. before Tim got canned. At this point I hope Bob does get the job. I personally don't see anyone else out there (that we have a legitimate shot at) that makes me excited. The program will improve with Bob. That's all I care about. It's not gonna be an overnight turnaround. We can pizz and moan all we want about the process, search bs, whatever. We can't control ANY OF IT! Jeezus all everyone wanted was Tim gone. He's gone. Better days are ahead. So chill peeps. Re-read what Bob said in his post. It's everything I want in a coach. Yes, did I want Jimmy...of course I did. But there wasn't an automatic nation championship packed in his suitcase either. Corkum bleeds Maine as much as anybody else. And being as close to the whole fiasco as he's been, I'm sure he wants to turn it around a h e l l of alot more than some outsider ie Gwaz, or some BC asst. Whatever happens, it d am n well can't get worse.
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I hope for Bob's sake that if they lowball him he rejects.
Not just in terms of his salary but also his budget for replacing himself (or Kerluke). He's not walking into a great situation. He should at least demand what needs to have a fighting chance.1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1995 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2012(!)
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Originally posted by amherstblackbear View PostI was also amused to read Montgomery tout Standbrook as the guy who was best able to promote Maine hockey. Considering Maine was able to get a commitment from exactly one Dubuque Fighting Saint in Montgomery's three years there, yeah, Montgomery himself may not be Maine's best promoter.
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Originally posted by walrus View PostI'd bet they didn't invite Grant as I don't believe he is around as he lives in Fla. most of the year. I think once he walked away that was it. Tim surely didn't want him around and I'd bet he can take a hint
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I wonder if Montgomery felt or expected that the Maine job would be more less given to him. When, after talking with Abbott, he found out that there would be a selection committee and their decision would be final, he lost a lot of interest. That is to say , he didnt want to take the chance of being rejected, though possibly a small chance. So when the DU job opened up, he jumped on the opportunity hoping he wouldnt have to go through a more regimented and drawn out process at UMaine. I guess we may never know for sure. unless he recounts the whole story in the BDN. But, having said that, agree with ABB, enough already. It sucks when there are 2 guys who bled blue as much as Montgomery and Corkum did and you cant have both behind the bench.
I hope some day to watch Maine and Denver in a National Championship game in a city like, oh say Boston...Last edited by all bear; 04-20-2013, 05:45 PM.sure why not
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Originally posted by all bear View PostI wonder if Montgomery felt or expected that the Maine job would be more less given to him. When, after talking with Abbott, he found out that there would be a selection committee and their decision would be final, he lost a lot of interest. That is to say , he didnt want to take the chance of being rejected, though possibly a small chance. So when the DU job opened up, he jumped on the opportunity hoping he wouldnt have to go through a more regimented and drawn out process at UMaine. I guess we may never know for sure. unless he recounts the whole story in the BDN. But, having said that, agree with ABB, enough already. It sucks when there are 2 guys who bled blue as much as Montgomery and Corkum did and you cant have both behind the bench.
I hope some day to watch Maine and Denver in a National Championship game in a city like, oh say Boston...
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