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bunt_q
04-04-2013, 03:17 PM
I was editing while you wrote that. And I'll just reiterate ... it's Gwoz that can answer that set of questions. I don't think DU would be allowed to.

You know, it's possible he doesn't even know why he was fired. DU hasn't even said money was the issue, so all of your blathering about what she could/could not reveal misses the point entirely. For all we know, it was something else completely.

Shirtless Guy
04-04-2013, 03:17 PM
I was editing while you wrote that. And I'll just reiterate ... it's Gwoz that can answer that set of questions. I don't think DU would be allowed to.Why would they be allowed to discuss is base salary if they can't discuss "other compensation?"

uaafanblog
04-04-2013, 03:20 PM
Why would they be allowed to discuss is base salary if they can't discuss "other compensation?"
I didn't mean to imply that. I think they wouldn't be allowed to discuss either. Where the 211,000 number came from is anyone's guess. These sorts of numbers "leak" out at private universities.

uaafanblog
04-04-2013, 03:22 PM
You know, it's possible he doesn't even know why he was fired. DU hasn't even said money was the issue, so all of your blathering about what she could/could not reveal misses the point entirely. For all we know, it was something else completely.Two reasons were given. Go back and read the only statement the admin has made about it. Both of the reasons are stated there. The inability to negotiate a new contract means it's about money. It's clear it wasn't really about performance unless those people think he should have been winning a national championship every other year.

bunt_q
04-04-2013, 03:27 PM
Two reasons were given. Go back and read the only statement the admin has made about it. Both of the reasons are stated there. The inability to negotiate a new contract means it's about money. It's clear it wasn't really about performance unless those people think he should have been winning a national championship every other year.

Naturally, you know more than the Denver Post does. It's truly a privilege for the rest of us to be blessed with your presence.

uaafanblog
04-04-2013, 03:29 PM
Naturally, you know more than the Denver Post does. It's truly a privilege for the rest of us to be blessed with your presence.
Cos you can't read the original press release? And yeah ... there's probably 4 dozen people here who know more than the Denver Post's non-sports editorial page journalists.

Pablo
04-04-2013, 03:36 PM
I strongly disagree with the Gwoz firing. But to the extent that his firing was based on performance, it wasn't because he wasn't winning enough national championships. It was because he wasn't advancing past the first game of the tournament in 5 of the past 6 years. And in the other 1 of the 6 years, he lost in the 2nd game of the tournament. I don't know what the admin was thinking. But my own thought, is that if you're making the tournament every year, and if you have the talent that DU has had, and if you have the decent seedings that DU has had, and if you have a well-paid and good coach at the helm, you should expect to make it to the Frozen Four once every three or four years. I think everybody could understand losing the occasional first round game, and losing games in the Frozen Four if you make it that far. But the 1-5 record in the NCAA's since the 2005 national championship was a bit perplexing, even to those of us who fully supported Gwoz. There was just something "off" and "flat" about the team's NCAA tournament performances that was hard for many DU fans to understand, particularly in the aftermath of DU's 8-0 record in the NCAA tournaments of 2004 and 2005.

COHockey
04-04-2013, 03:38 PM
Wow...the misinformation coming out of people on this thread who don't know **** about the DU hockey program is staggering. This thread has gone down the tubes.

DING DING DING, we have a winner!

bunt_q
04-04-2013, 03:42 PM
Cos you can't read the original press release? And yeah ... there's probably 4 dozen people here who know more than the Denver Post's non-sports editorial page journalists.

So everyone who's looking for a better explanation, we're all just morons, eh? It really must be nice to know everything. Can you tell us what it's like to be so brilliant? How do you get through your days surrounded by all the little people? Or would your explanation just sail over our heads? Must be frustrating to be you.

sk8tronthepond
04-04-2013, 03:43 PM
I strongly disagree with the Gwoz firing. But to the extent that his firing was based on performance, it wasn't because he wasn't winning enough national championships. It was because he wasn't advancing past the first game of the tournament in 5 of the past 6 years. And in the other 1 of the 6 years, he lost in the 2nd game of the tournament. I don't know what the admin was thinking. But my own thought, is that if you're making the tournament every year, and if you have the talent that DU has had, and if you have the decent seedings that DU has had, and if you have a well-paid and good coach at the helm, you should expect to make it to the Frozen Four once every three or four years. I think everybody could understand losing the occasional first round game, and losing games in the Frozen Four if you make it that far. But the 1-5 record in the NCAA's since the 2005 national championship was a bit perplexing, even to those of us who fully supported Gwoz. There was just something "off" and "flat" about the team's NCAA tournament performances that was hard for many DU fans to understand, particularly in the aftermath of DU's 8-0 record in the NCAA tournaments of 2004 and 2005.

DING, DING, DING. Premature winner on the previous post. This guy gets it!!

COHockey
04-04-2013, 03:43 PM
But my own thought, is that if you're making the tournament every year, and if you have the talent that DU has had, and if you have the decent seedings that DU has had, and if you have a well-paid and good coach at the helm, you should expect to make it to the Frozen Four once every three or four years.

You might actually have something here. The way the administration at DU has been acting, I think they either need to be winners year in and year out, or play those PC games where nobody loses.

uaafanblog
04-04-2013, 03:46 PM
So everyone who's looking for a better explanation, we're all just morons, eh? It really must be nice to know everything. Can you tell us what it's like to be so brilliant? Or would your explanation just sail over our heads?It's either performance ... which has a poor basis (with the exception of Pablo's recent post) and has been thoroughly "debunked" in this thread OR it's about the second reason given. The inability to negotiate a contract i.e... money. The "money" angle is what has been discussed since the performance issue was quite rightly set aside. If you think it was about something other than those two things then say so. Don't call yourself a moron.

bunt_q
04-04-2013, 03:46 PM
You might actually have something here. The way the administration at DU has been acting, I think they either need to be winners year in and year out, or play those PC games where nobody loses.

I think the administration at DU is probably reading this thread and looking for the best explanation that comes out of it before they go to the media and explain it for themselves. I half expect to see Pablo's post quoted word-for-word in tomorrow's paper.

bunt_q
04-04-2013, 03:48 PM
It's either performance ... which has a poor basis (with the exception of Pablo's recent post) and has been thoroughly "debunked" in this thread OR it's about the second reason given. The inability to negotiate a contract i.e... money. The "money" angle is what has been discussed since the performance issue was quite rightly set aside. If you think it was about something other than those two things then say so. Don't call yourself a moron.

Weren't you the one going with the "he's difficult to work with, and a bit of a dick" theory? That's neither of those two. So that's at least three possibilities. Point is, it's not something we should be left to speculate about. Just tell us.

Pablo
04-04-2013, 03:49 PM
I think the administration at DU is probably reading this thread and looking for the best explanation that comes out of it before they go to the media and explain it for themselves. I half expect to see Pablo's post quoted word-for-word in tomorrow's paper.
Noooo!!! I do not give them permission. They need to come up with their own lame answers.

duper
04-04-2013, 03:57 PM
Weren't you the one going with the "he's difficult to work with, and a bit of a dick" theory? That's neither of those two. So that's at least three possibilities. Point is, it's not something we should be left to speculate about. Just tell us.SSshhhhh!!!!! Don't point out that he changed his story in mid-stream. It will confuse his brain. Of course, his sense of staggering superiority will remain perfectly intact. :D He will most likely give you a nice lesson on the use of the English language. After all, internet bloggers who are so pathetic that they get dumped by the little-known University that they used to provide free marketing for are the nation's foremost experts on the subject.

Shirtless Guy
04-04-2013, 04:11 PM
I strongly disagree with the Gwoz firing. But to the extent that his firing was based on performance, it wasn't because he wasn't winning enough national championships. It was because he wasn't advancing past the first game of the tournament in 5 of the past 6 years. And in the other 1 of the 6 years, he lost in the 2nd game of the tournament. I don't know what the admin was thinking. But my own thought, is that if you're making the tournament every year, and if you have the talent that DU has had, and if you have the decent seedings that DU has had, and if you have a well-paid and good coach at the helm, you should expect to make it to the Frozen Four once every three or four years. I think everybody could understand losing the occasional first round game, and losing games in the Frozen Four if you make it that far. But the 1-5 record in the NCAA's since the 2005 national championship was a bit perplexing, even to those of us who fully supported Gwoz. There was just something "off" and "flat" about the team's NCAA tournament performances that was hard for many DU fans to understand, particularly in the aftermath of DU's 8-0 record in the NCAA tournaments of 2004 and 2005.The only real response I have to this is the fact that since that 2005 tournament the tournament as a whole has become far more of a crapshoot. It's not just Denver. Granted the 1-6 record in the last 6 tournaments is frustrating and everything but how many teams have made 6 straight tournaments? It does seem possibly reasonable to say that the 1-6 record in the last 6 NCAA tournaments does not merit DU giving Gwozdecky the big raise he thought he deserved, but at the same time, there are plenty of teams that would love to have that 6 year stretch, not to mention the last decade he has had.

Example: the 2007 tournament had 8 games won by the lower seed including two 4-seeds defeated 1-seeds and three different 3-seeds making it to the Frozen Four. Parity is in full effect and in the one & done format, anything can happen now. 1 is not that far apart from 16 anymore.

Thecalkid
04-04-2013, 04:33 PM
DING, DING, DING. Premature winner on the previous post. This guy gets it!!

There can't be two winners!

Pablo
04-04-2013, 04:44 PM
Example: the 2007 tournament had 8 games won by the lower seed including two 4-seeds defeated 1-seeds and three different 3-seeds making it to the Frozen Four. Parity is in full effect and in the one & done format, anything can happen now. 1 is not that far apart from 16 anymore.
I agree that the increased parity makes the seedings and expectations different than they used to be. Also, the early defections from the top programs mean that you have senior-laden teams with good chemistry playing against more freshman and sophomore dominated teams. But I think that there is still enough of a difference between the "top 5" teams tournament teams and the "bottom 5" tournament teams (in terms of talent, quality of coaching, demonstrated record of success over the course of the season, etc.), where the top 5 teams should be reasonably expected to advance a round or two. Not as much of a difference as there used to be. But I don't think that it's a total crapshoot yet.

sk8tronthepond
04-04-2013, 07:49 PM
There can't be two winners!

You're right. I have to choose my words carefully on this big stage. The previous post claiming to be a winner was not a winner. Another question, did losing to CC in game 3 play into this? Look at the difference in the records of the two teams. Similar to the UNH game, penalty trouble.......was discipline an issue with this team?