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  • What if Union moves beyond Assano?

    Just asking—if the ABC {Asano Barcomb, Claudia} regime were to end, what would the steps be to rebuild this program, and should it remain D-1?

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    Re: What if Union moves beyond Assano?

    Originally posted by Flarrow View Post
    Just asking—if the ABC {Asano Barcomb, Claudia} regime were to end, what would the steps be to rebuild this program, and should it remain D-1?
    Rebuild? The program is built as well as it ever has been. Not saying they are setting the world on fire, they clearly aren't especially down the stretch, but 7 wins is a lot for them and 8 of their top 10 scorers are either freshmen or sophomores and 1 is a junior. hey certainly aren't going to win a National Championship tomorrow, but this is as good of an outlook as that program has had, ever.

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      Re: What if Union moves beyond Assano?

      Originally posted by WIrinkrat View Post
      Rebuild? The program is built as well as it ever has been. Not saying they are setting the world on fire, they clearly aren't especially down the stretch, but 7 wins is a lot for them and 8 of their top 10 scorers are either freshmen or sophomores and 1 is a junior. hey certainly aren't going to win a National Championship tomorrow, but this is as good of an outlook as that program has had, ever.
      Somewhat lengthy discussion on this topic in the thread "Who goes first Lewis or Linstad?" in the back half of the thread. Summary:

      - Barcomb has been in charge for 6 seasons
      - They are losing by less but still not winning and had 0 ECAC wins this season - bad season from that perspective
      - Last year's recruiting class was relatively strong, but next year's recruiting class is pretty thin as currently identified
      - Different opinions on whether she should or should not be able to recruit successfully given the fact that she has no scholarships and is not in the Ivy League
      - 50-50 opinion on whether her job is in jeopardy.

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      • #4
        Re: What if Union moves beyond Assano?

        Originally posted by HockeyEast33 View Post
        Somewhat lengthy discussion on this topic in the thread "Who goes first Lewis or Linstad?" in the back half of the thread. Summary:

        - Barcomb has been in charge for 6 seasons
        - They are losing by less but still not winning and had 0 ECAC wins this season - bad season from that perspective
        - Last year's recruiting class was relatively strong, but next year's recruiting class is pretty thin as currently identified
        - Different opinions on whether she should or should not be able to recruit successfully given the fact that she has no scholarships and is not in the Ivy League
        - 50-50 opinion on whether her job is in jeopardy.
        Agreed on the point where ECAC wins are concerned. Yes Union is more competitive but to not win a game in this conference is, well,embarrassing. No other way to describe it. The ECAC just isn't very strong and to not win at least one or two games even with their roster just doesn't speak well to the coaching staff. I would be sorry to see Claudia go but perhaps she would have greater success in D-2 or D-3?

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          Re: What if Union moves beyond Assano?

          Originally posted by Skate79 View Post
          Agreed on the point where ECAC wins are concerned. Yes Union is more competitive but to not win a game in this conference is, well,embarrassing. No other way to describe it. The ECAC just isn't very strong and to not win at least one or two games even with their roster just doesn't speak well to the coaching staff. I would be sorry to see Claudia go but perhaps she would have greater success in D-2 or D-3?
          Not to defend Asano's coaching record, but this from the die-hard fan of a team which looked at the time to be on course for winning the league, and which beat this last place team only 1-0? Top to bottom, the strength of the ECAC is probably better than it's ever been.

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            Re: What if Union moves beyond Assano?

            Originally posted by Trillium View Post
            Top to bottom, the strength of the ECAC is probably better than it's ever been.
            I agree. Perhaps the top team isn't as strong as in some years, but the bottom team is rarely going to defeat the top squad in any league. The fact that the 8th through 11th teams were bunched as tightly as they were makes it harder for the last team to get an upset. Union did come within a goal of that elusive ECAC win 11 times; there have been a lot of years where it wasn't close to that competitive.
            "... And lose, and start again at your beginnings
            And never breathe a word about your loss;" -- Rudyard Kipling

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              Re: What if Union moves beyond Assano?

              Originally posted by ARM View Post
              I agree. Perhaps the top team isn't as strong as in some years, but the bottom team is rarely going to defeat the top squad in any league. The fact that the 8th through 11th teams were bunched as tightly as they were makes it harder for the last team to get an upset. Union did come within a goal of that elusive ECAC win 11 times; there have been a lot of years where it wasn't close to that competitive.
              So... in summary ... there is more parity in the ECAC except for Union, which continues to be unable to win a game.... ummmm, that doesn't sound like a point that Coach Asano can use in her favor. Usually, when there is more parity, everyone gets more wins....

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                Re: What if Union moves beyond Assano?

                Originally posted by HockeyEast33 View Post
                So... in summary ... there is more parity in the ECAC except for Union, which continues to be unable to win a game.... ummmm, that doesn't sound like a point that Coach Asano can use in her favor. Usually, when there is more parity, everyone gets more wins....
                I think you have to keep things in perspective. Look where she started from, and look where they are today. You can argue you'd want to see more wins at this point, but it's not like ANYONE has ever won there before, and she's got them the closest to getting to that point that they've been. They've definitely improved quite a bit.

                I'm not saying she should stay or go, but you definitely have to evaluate success in each job on a somewhat different set of criteria

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                  Re: What if Union moves beyond Assano?

                  Originally posted by WIrinkrat View Post
                  I think you have to keep things in perspective. Look where she started from, and look where they are today. You can argue you'd want to see more wins at this point, but it's not like ANYONE has ever won there before, and she's got them the closest to getting to that point that they've been. They've definitely improved quite a bit.

                  I'm not saying she should stay or go, but you definitely have to evaluate success in each job on a somewhat different set of criteria
                  CAB got a 4 year contract extension in 2010. She isn't going anywhere right now.

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                  • #10
                    Re: What if Union moves beyond Assano?

                    Originally posted by 96IllinoisDad View Post
                    CAB got a 4 year contract extension in 2010. She isn't going anywhere right now.
                    Means very little - especially since there is only 1 year left on it. Coaches with multiyear contracts get fired all the time before the end of the contract, even in women's hockey. Worst case for Union is that there is some sort of buyout provision....

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                      Re: What if Union moves beyond Assano?

                      Originally posted by HockeyEast33 View Post
                      Means very little - especially since there is only 1 year left on it. Coaches with multiyear contracts get fired all the time before the end of the contract, even in women's hockey. Worst case for Union is that there is some sort of buyout provision....
                      Oops, I thought 2 years left (of 4) which is why I didn't see anything happening....

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                        Re: What if Union moves beyond Assano?

                        No question in my mind that the current coaching staff at Union have made good progress and should be given AT LEAST another year to see what they can do with this young team.However, one thing does trouble me about their performance this year...the dramatic difference between how competitive they were before Christmas versus after Christmas. Before the break, they were 3-3 in games against Hockey East (albeit the wins came against the two weakest teams there), they split with a very good Syracuse team they picked up 3 ties in 8 conference games (Quinnipiac, Princeton and Yale) and they beat RPI in a non-conference game (a team they lost to twice after Christmas). After Christmas they managed only two wins (against the worst team in the NCAA, Penn State) a tie against Yale, and 14 losses.

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                        • #13
                          Re: What if Union moves beyond Assano?

                          Originally posted by HockeyEast33 View Post
                          So... in summary ... there is more parity in the ECAC except for Union.
                          We didn't say there was more parity; we said the league was stronger. Not the same thing.
                          "... And lose, and start again at your beginnings
                          And never breathe a word about your loss;" -- Rudyard Kipling

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                          • #14
                            Re: What if Union moves beyond Assano?

                            Let's face it....Union screwed the pooch years ago....this is a D-3 school. Why the F they try to play D-1 hockey [mens team's very very recent success notwithstanding] is a JOKE.


                            Face it #2...they double screwed the pooch when they missed the chance to join nescac...that's where they belong...playing teams like Hamilton...they blew it. [and throw Colgate in the same pot].

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                              Re: What if Union moves beyond Assano?

                              Originally posted by CrossCheck View Post
                              [and throw Colgate in the same pot].
                              Not fair to throw Colgate under the bus. Didn't they just take No. 2-in-the-whole-country (Cornell) into OT? And you're saying they don't belong in D1?
                              Minnesota Golden Gopher Hockey

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