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  • # 3 - This is where Utica belongs - not #8 !!!

    February 4, 2013
    D3hockey.com Men's Top 15: Feb. 4
    # School (1st votes) Rec Pts Prev.
    1 Norwich (18) 18-2 296 1
    2 UW-Eau Claire (2) 18-3-2 265 4
    3 Utica 17-4 251 3
    4 Hobart 17-3-2 233 5
    5 Oswego State 18-3 222 7
    6 Bowdoin 17-2-1 207 2
    7 St. Norbert 17-5-1 185 6
    8 Adrian 17-1-3 170 8
    9 Mass-Boston 16-3-2 138 10
    10 Amherst 12-5-3 102 12
    11 Plattsburgh State 14-6-1 92 9
    12 Geneseo State 14-6-1 67 15
    13 Williams 12-5-3 46 13
    14 Neumann 12-6-3 33 11
    15 Babson 11-6-4 29 14



    Others receiving votes: Manhattanville 23, Trinity 14, UW-Stevens Point 9, Wentworth 5, MSOE 5, Plymouth State 4, St. Olaf 3, Castleton 1

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    Re: # 3 - This is where Utica belongs - not #8 !!!

    Originally posted by WirelessCobra View Post
    February 4, 2013
    D3hockey.com Men's Top 15: Feb. 4
    # School (1st votes) Rec Pts Prev.
    1 Norwich (18) 18-2 296 1
    2 UW-Eau Claire (2) 18-3-2 265 4
    3 Utica 17-4 251 3
    4 Hobart 17-3-2 233 5
    5 Oswego State 18-3 222 7
    6 Bowdoin 17-2-1 207 2
    7 St. Norbert 17-5-1 185 6
    8 Adrian 17-1-3 170 8
    9 Mass-Boston 16-3-2 138 10
    10 Amherst 12-5-3 102 12
    11 Plattsburgh State 14-6-1 92 9
    12 Geneseo State 14-6-1 67 15
    13 Williams 12-5-3 46 13
    14 Neumann 12-6-3 33 11
    15 Babson 11-6-4 29 14



    Others receiving votes: Manhattanville 23, Trinity 14, UW-Stevens Point 9, Wentworth 5, MSOE 5, Plymouth State 4, St. Olaf 3, Castleton 1
    The d3hockey poll has been kinder to Utica for most of this year. But the d3hockey poll is also a lot more volatile than the uscho poll. If utica loses one game that they were supposed to win, you can expect them to fall very far in the d3hockey poll. They might fall 1 spot in the uscho. Look at Bowdoin, they lost one game and fell from 2nd to 6th. Very volatile.

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    • #3
      Re: # 3 - This is where Utica belongs - not #8 !!!

      Now this Utica thing has jumped the shark.

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      • #4
        Re: # 3 - This is where Utica belongs - not #8 !!!

        Also note that last week St. Norbert got dropped 4 spots for losing one game against WEC (a ranked and very tough opponent) and the week before that Hobart was dropped 3 spots for losing a game against UC. Oswego also dropped 4 spots in the d3hockey poll after their early january loss to UC. Very very volatile. So when people say that the NCAA rankings will resemble the d3hockey poll i have to ask whether you mean this week's d3hockey poll or next week's because they are probably very very different.

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        • #5
          Re: # 3 - This is where Utica belongs - not #8 !!!

          Originally posted by WirelessCobra View Post
          February 4, 2013
          D3hockey.com Men's Top 15: Feb. 4
          # School (1st votes) Rec Pts Prev.
          1 Norwich (18) 18-2 296 1
          2 UW-Eau Claire (2) 18-3-2 265 4
          3 Utica 17-4 251 3
          4 Hobart 17-3-2 233 5
          5 Oswego State 18-3 222 7
          6 Bowdoin 17-2-1 207 2
          7 St. Norbert 17-5-1 185 6
          8 Adrian 17-1-3 170 8
          9 Mass-Boston 16-3-2 138 10
          10 Amherst 12-5-3 102 12
          11 Plattsburgh State 14-6-1 92 9
          12 Geneseo State 14-6-1 67 15
          13 Williams 12-5-3 46 13
          14 Neumann 12-6-3 33 11
          15 Babson 11-6-4 29 14



          Others receiving votes: Manhattanville 23, Trinity 14, UW-Stevens Point 9, Wentworth 5, MSOE 5, Plymouth State 4, St. Olaf 3, Castleton 1

          Didn't you guys split the weekend?

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          • #6
            Re: # 3 - This is where Utica belongs - not #8 !!!

            Originally posted by toto238 View Post
            The d3hockey poll has been kinder to Utica for most of this year. But the d3hockey poll is also a lot more volatile than the uscho poll. If utica loses one game that they were supposed to win, you can expect them to fall very far in the d3hockey poll. They might fall 1 spot in the uscho. Look at Bowdoin, they lost one game and fell from 2nd to 6th. Very volatile.
            I see your argument, but Utica took the season series from Oswego AND Hobart (both rated higher than UC at 2 and 5 respectively) ...I think the D3 poll has it right at #3 while the coach's poll is out of touch.

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            • #7
              Re: # 3 - This is where Utica belongs - not #8 !!!

              Utica is 5-1 vs top 10, Strength of schedule #1, KRACH #1 D3.com is about right, It's a no brainer FFS !! Noone else even close to this, I think the SOS and 5-1 vs top 10 says it all.
              It all starts with the goaltending.

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                Re: # 3 - This is where Utica belongs - not #8 !!!

                Originally posted by WirelessCobra View Post
                I see your argument, but Utica took the season series from Oswego AND Hobart (both rated higher than UC at 2 and 5 respectively) ...I think the D3 poll has it right at #3 while the coach's poll is out of touch.
                But Hobart is # 1 in the division

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                • #9
                  Re: # 3 - This is where Utica belongs - not #8 !!!

                  Originally posted by wickfan View Post
                  But Hobart is # 1 in the division
                  Yeah, but a couple of years ago Alabama got to be #1 and they couldn't win their division! Oh wait, maybe using the BCS to justify anything is not such a great analogy!
                  Steve
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                  • #10
                    Re: # 3 - This is where Utica belongs - not #8 !!!

                    Originally posted by WirelessCobra View Post
                    I see your argument, but Utica took the season series from Oswego AND Hobart (both rated higher than UC at 2 and 5 respectively) ...I think the D3 poll has it right at #3 while the coach's poll is out of touch.
                    Sure Utica has been able to take down some big names like Oswego and Hobart (though Oswego was able to beat Hobart too) but they've also lost to teams that shouldn't have even been a challenge such as Elmira and Cortland. When a team goes from shutting out a great team like Oswego 6-0 to being shutout by a crappy team like Cortland 5-0 it leaves people wondering whether the team can show the consistency necessary to actually be a good team. Even that loss to Neumann looks pretty pathetic. Utica has been shut out twice this season against clearly inferior teams.

                    Oswego on the other hand has continually destroyed pretty much every team that they were supposed to beat. Their only losses have been against ranked opponents that will always be challenging. In order to get high up on the rankings you have to start by winning the easy games, and then you can be forgiven for losing some of the hard games.

                    The KRACH ratings don't account for which teams in your schedule you lost against, it only uses your winning pctg as a whole and the winning pctg of your opponents. If you have 4 losses, it doesn't matter if they're against the toughest teams on your schedule or the easiest teams on your schedule, you'll have the same KRACH rating.

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                    • #11
                      Re: # 3 - This is where Utica belongs - not #8 !!!

                      How about 17-4 against the the toughest schedule in D3 ? And 6-0 against Oswego and 5-1 vs top 10 ?

                      Does KRACH consider SOS also....they must ?
                      Last edited by sshablak; 02-05-2013, 01:57 PM.
                      It all starts with the goaltending.

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                      • #12
                        Re: # 3 - This is where Utica belongs - not #8 !!!

                        Originally posted by sshablak View Post
                        How about 17-4 against the the toughest schedule in D3 ? And 6-0 against Oswego and 5-1 vs top 10 ?
                        This negates everything.
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                        • #13
                          Re: # 3 - This is where Utica belongs - not #8 !!!

                          No it doesn't !
                          It all starts with the goaltending.

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                          • #14
                            Re: # 3 - This is where Utica belongs - not #8 !!!

                            Originally posted by sshablak View Post
                            No it doesn't !
                            Utica has done well against tough teams, yes. But they keep losing to easy teams. They lost to Elmira and got SHUT OUT by Neumann AND Cortland. If Utica is a top team, they should not lose games to these easy opponents. That's why their USCHO ranking is hurting.

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                            • #15
                              Re: # 3 - This is where Utica belongs - not #8 !!!

                              WE all know that any poll which has Utica anywhere but 1st is both biased and a conspiracy.
                              Go 'Wick!

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