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BrocktonNU
01-26-2013, 09:14 PM
Could have had 4 points
Should have had 3 points
At a minimum should have came away with a disappointing 2 points
We end the weekend with 1 point

I don't even know what to say about this disaster.

northeastern
01-26-2013, 09:38 PM
That certainly was a choke job.

2 sandwiches shy of a picnic.. that's for sure..
Now crawl out of your mama's basement & go get a job..
oh, can you Coach?.. :)

RossiRules
01-26-2013, 10:58 PM
I really give up..Another 1 point weekend. LOL! So Sad. Team choked but lot’s of poor coaching decisions to. OBTW, all of our goalies likely suck. Our D is suspect top to bottom our 2nd best player is graduating this year (SAP) and if any of you think that the incoming class of freshman has the talent to propel us into the top of HE standings next year your dreaming, PC, BU, BC, UNH and ND and even UML clearly way better entry classes than us. I really don’t see any reason why Roy would stay more than 1 year at most , if he comes back next year, I would say we are lucky, and beyond that, why would he? He will be gone at least to the AHL before a pro career. I look at what QU has done in the ECAC and have to admit that in a decade they have built a better program than ours with a 75 year history. That’s the difference when the schools alumni call the shots and not the AD. We suck and always do an likely always will. OMG the laws of averages would indicate that in a 4 team tournament you should win more than 3 beanpots in 100 years. But Really who cares anymore year after year of futility. Who would really want to play at NU today, top to bottom its a minagire of middle of the road prospects if you are a great talent there are so many other options, if you’re a farm boy form Saskatoon you not picking NU, no place to keep your pickup truck. Our problem is recruiting and it always will be. There are simply not enough good players to fill 90 HE roster spots in Boston, when the last 30 are are filled are at NU. Sorry. No coach could ever make this program BU or BC. I finally have realized it’s never going to happen. It took me 25 years to accept it.

BrocktonNU
01-27-2013, 12:58 AM
I really give up..Another 1 point weekend. LOL! So Sad. Team choked but lot’s of poor coaching decisions to. OBTW, all of our goalies likely suck. Our D is suspect top to bottom our 2nd best player is graduating this year (SAP) and if any of you think that the incoming class of freshman has the talent to propel us into the top of HE standings next year your dreaming, PC, BU, BC, UNH and ND and even UML clearly way better entry classes than us. I really don’t see any reason why Roy would stay more than 1 year at most , if he comes back next year, I would say we are lucky, and beyond that, why would he? He will be gone at least to the AHL before a pro career. I look at what QU has done in the ECAC and have to admit that in a decade they have built a better program than ours with a 75 year history. That’s the difference when the schools alumni call the shots and not the AD. We suck and always do an likely always will. OMG the laws of averages would indicate that in a 4 team tournament you should win more than 3 beanpots in 100 years. But Really who cares anymore year after year of futility. Who would really want to play at NU today, top to bottom its a minagire of middle of the road prospects if you are a great talent there are so many other options, if you’re a farm boy form Saskatoon you not picking NU, no place to keep your pickup truck. Our problem is recruiting and it always will be. There are simply not enough good players to fill 90 HE roster spots in Boston, when the last 30 are are filled are at NU. Sorry. No coach could ever make this program BU or BC. I finally have realized it’s never going to happen. It took me 25 years to accept it.

As negative as this is it's 100% true. Being a new fan I can't help but feel I jumped onto a sinking ship in NU hockey after this weekend. At this point I would just want some direction in this program to put us among the UML, Merrimacks, and PCs of the world, just a middle of the road (maybe top 5) Hockey East team. But reality is UConn will probably pass us in a couple years in Hockey East. This weekend was just beyond deflating, but I guess even if NU got results it really wouldn't change where they are as a program. I guess it's a good thing I didn't choose grad school based on the hockey team. I'm really dumbfounded for words to describe how disastrous this weekend turned out to be. I guess the only good thing is I haven't suffered years of futility like other loyal fans here. Nonetheless I'll stick by my school and support the team as frustrating as it can be.

steve66
01-27-2013, 07:15 AM
I really give up..Another 1 point weekend. LOL! So Sad. Team choked but lot’s of poor coaching decisions to. OBTW, all of our goalies likely suck. Our D is suspect top to bottom our 2nd best player is graduating this year (SAP) and if any of you think that the incoming class of freshman has the talent to propel us into the top of HE standings next year your dreaming, PC, BU, BC, UNH and ND and even UML clearly way better entry classes than us. I really don’t see any reason why Roy would stay more than 1 year at most , if he comes back next year, I would say we are lucky, and beyond that, why would he? He will be gone at least to the AHL before a pro career. I look at what QU has done in the ECAC and have to admit that in a decade they have built a better program than ours with a 75 year history. That’s the difference when the schools alumni call the shots and not the AD. We suck and always do an likely always will. OMG the laws of averages would indicate that in a 4 team tournament you should win more than 3 beanpots in 100 years. But Really who cares anymore year after year of futility. Who would really want to play at NU today, top to bottom its a minagire of middle of the road prospects if you are a great talent there are so many other options, if you’re a farm boy form Saskatoon you not picking NU, no place to keep your pickup truck. Our problem is recruiting and it always will be. There are simply not enough good players to fill 90 HE roster spots in Boston, when the last 30 are are filled are at NU. Sorry. No coach could ever make this program BU or BC. I finally have realized it’s never going to happen. It took me 25 years to accept it.

I hate to agree with this but we have all seen the movie thst played out last night before. 70 years of crap with an occasional good season sprinkled in. I do not understand why they can't be a 4-6 place team every year but its obvious they can't. Can't be that every coach that has ever been here was the wrong choice?

Based on the size of next years incoming class I am guessing that they plan is to pull the plug on this team, there will be a new team on the ice next year. Young team mist likely 8-10th but hopefully building for future. Which is all we ever do, hope for next year.

SkinsFan09
01-27-2013, 09:45 AM
Hell of an effort guys. We got the win but you definitely didn't make it easy.

Not really a great effort. We handed you 3 points is all that happened. That's truth. Two choke jobs and two multi-goal leads blown in a period in consecutive nights. Signs of a horribly coached team. And we've given up the most 3rd period goals in HEA. More signs of poor coaching adjustments.

steve66
01-27-2013, 10:22 AM
Not really a great effort. We handed you 3 points is all that happened. That's truth. Two choke jobs and two multi-goal leads blown in a period in consecutive nights. Signs of a horribly coached team. And we've given up the most 3rd period goals in HEA. More signs of poor coaching adjustments.

I agree with you, but do players get any blame in this??

Coachs get to much credit when things are good and to much blame when things are bad. Truth lies somewhere in the middle.

SkinsFan09
01-27-2013, 10:47 AM
I agree with you, but do players get any blame in this??

Coachs get to much credit when things are good and to much blame when things are bad. Truth lies somewhere in the middle.

We probably rolled back into a defensive shell when we went up 4-1 instead of maintaining an aggressive forecheck which allowed Lowell to fire at will on Mountain woh by all accounts made many impressive saves last night. I wasn't there though so I cannot confirm. Also probably wasn't wise to roll with 4 defenseman after Ellement's injury.

Thiessen'sBetter
01-27-2013, 11:02 AM
Could have had 4 points
Should have had 3 points
At a minimum should have came away with a disappointing 2 points
We end the weekend with 1 point

I don't even know what to say about this disaster.

Welcome to Northeastern hockey. It takes years off your life, but ultimately builds character.

WDR357
01-27-2013, 11:24 AM
We probably rolled back into a defensive shell when we went up 4-1 instead of maintaining an aggressive forecheck which allowed Lowell to fire at will on Mountain woh by all accounts made many impressive saves last night. I wasn't there though so I cannot confirm. Also probably wasn't wise to roll with 4 defenseman after Ellement's injury.
The 2nd and 3rd goals Mountain should have had. The 3rd was a particularly weak goal. The only line that forechecked well in the 3rd was Pimm's line. Otherwise it was dump and chase and then chase UML back up the ice on the breakout. The difference in this game was game plan and the quality of the backliners for UML. They were better at maintaining possesion on the breakout and it showed all game long. Even though Mountain blew some easy ones, he made some very nice saves too. Carr certainly wasn't any better than he was.

I actually think, assuming Roy returns, that they'll be a better team next year. I'm guessing Benning is better than Ellement whose spot he's clearly taking and Szmatula and Stevens will at least be as good Sap and Vermy. The scouting reports I'm reading on Stevens is he's adjusted very quickly to the USHL and Szmatula is leading the league is scoring. Still, we need more talent on the 3rd and 4th lines. Without it, any team is in 8th, 9th or 10th in HE.

NU Fan2013
01-27-2013, 02:06 PM
How many impressive saves did Mountain make in the last 11 minutes including OT where he gave up 4 goals. Come on now no free passes. He spit the bit...period.

northeastern
01-27-2013, 02:14 PM
We probably rolled back into a defensive shell when we went up 4-1 instead of maintaining an aggressive forecheck which allowed Lowell to fire at will..


The 2nd and 3rd goals Mountain should have had. The 3rd was a particularly weak goal. The only line that forechecked well in the 3rd was Pimm's line. Otherwise it was dump and chase and then chase..

this is true. It does go back to coaching, i am sorry. We forechecked against BU very well, but stepped away from it (and took dumb penalties.. what's new) ..to have 3 gms now where we eeked out a W.. eeked out a tie.. & then last night, could not get away from bad habits & poor leadership.

The HC is just not experienced enough. The only hope.. as has been mentioned now - a mix of newer (more seasoned) players.. & Madigan learning (hopefully doing his homework!) on the job...

The one teenie bright spot.. BU was up 3 goals on Harvard with 5 odd minutes left & lost that gm in OT..6-5 just weeks ago.

So some perspective here.. it does happen. Just seems to happen to us..er.. at will! :)

Split-N
01-27-2013, 02:51 PM
Split, Why are you not on the bandwagon yet?....Until the fan base cares. Until they demand a winning program, comments like these will continue. People like Steve will wait. People like Split will hope. And people like me (Happy Husky Victory, Theissen's Better, and various others on this thread) will complain and urge people to care to make this program mean something again...Maybe its because we're younger and only been around the program for 10-15 years that we still care and actually want to have a winning team.

I absolutely don't blame you for being beyond pixxed off about where this program stands but I'll have to respectfully disagree with your lashing out at everyone who doesn't totally agree with your points of view. I don't know who you or Steve66 or anyone else on this thread are but if they're taking the time to regularly read this thread and occasionally post their opinions, then trust me--they care, and probably passionately.

As for me, I've been living and dying with this program (mostly the latter) for more years than I want to admit to. How I've managed to survive the grief and frustration and pain this program has inflicted on me for so many years without it killing me is something of a miracle. But I keep coming back for more because I care about this university in general and this hockey program in particular. Passionately. And I put my money where my mouth is and regularly write checks earmarked for this program. Not enough to have even a water bottle named for me but nonetheless consistent.

And I occasionally put my mouth where my money is. I'm probably the only person on this thread to have told the President of this university, to his face, that the hockey program is in trouble and needs fixing. Maybe not in so many words, but that was the message. And I know for a fact that at least one other person in the room on that occasion delivered substantially the same message. So if you think the older alums are content to sit back and accept the status quo, you're flat-out wrong!

So will my verbal shot across Dr. Vowel's bow do any good? Probably not. But neither will insults hurled on internet message boards. It should be painfully evident to all that that the upper echelons of the university administration are content to see our varsity athletic teams play nice in the sandbox. They do not--or will not--see the link between consistent athletic success and the broader impacts on institutional reputation that places like Notre Dame, Stanford, Duke, and even BC not only see but emphasize. But does this mean we have to throw our hands up and accept more mediocrity? Hell no. Nor does it mean we should keep quiet. But let's be honest: We can do little more than tilt at windmills and hope the noise will attract the attention of some of the mega-donors who have the leverage to force change.

But one thing we can do something about is to stop the name calling. We ought to be better than that. It is inevitable (and healthy) that people will have differences of opinion on the direction of the program, the quality of recruits, coaching decisions, whether or not the coaching staff should get another year, and more. But where there are disagreements that can't be resolved, let's agree to disagree without the personal invective. In the end, we're all on the same team.

PPGuru
01-27-2013, 03:12 PM
Don't you just hate it when somebody goes all REASONABLE and MATURE on ya? :)

Ryecheers
01-27-2013, 05:38 PM
I actually think, assuming Roy returns, that they'll be a better team next year. I'm guessing Benning is better than Ellement whose spot he's clearly taking and Szmatula and Stevens will at least be as good Sap and Vermy. The scouting reports I'm reading on Stevens is he's adjusted very quickly to the USHL and Szmatula is leading the league is scoring. Still, we need more talent on the 3rd and 4th lines. Without it, any team is in 8th, 9th or 10th in HE.

Dalen Hedges, http://cjhlsite.stats.pointstreak.com/playerpage.html?playerid=5274504&seasonid=9216

should also help.

Thiessen'sBetter
01-27-2013, 08:26 PM
I actually think, assuming Roy returns, that they'll be a better team next year.

Who's in goal? Do Gunn and Sauce take the step forward that we haven't seen from any of the current sophomores this year? Can Lauwers become better positionally to overcome his lack of speed and learn not to take dumb penalties? Will Oskroba, Cornell or Fennell have to suit up regularly and if so, will JM give them meaningful minutes? Will Manson become more visible on a nightly basis? Can Benning have a Newton/Bitetto freshman year?

Way too many questions on D and in net for me to have much confidence next year will be any better.

WDR357
01-27-2013, 08:44 PM
Witt will probably be the guy next year. I am assuming players currently playing D improve over the next year.

bottomdweller
01-28-2013, 12:05 AM
The 2nd and 3rd goals Mountain should have had. The 3rd was a particularly weak goal. The only line that forechecked well in the 3rd was Pimm's line. Otherwise it was dump and chase and then chase UML back up the ice on the breakout. The difference in this game was game plan and the quality of the backliners for UML. They were better at maintaining possesion on the breakout and it showed all game long. Even though Mountain blew some easy ones, he made some very nice saves too. Carr certainly wasn't any better than he was.

I actually think, assuming Roy returns, that they'll be a better team next year. I'm guessing Benning is better than Ellement whose spot he's clearly taking and Szmatula and Stevens will at least be as good Sap and Vermy. The scouting reports I'm reading on Stevens is he's adjusted very quickly to the USHL and Szmatula is leading the league is scoring. Still, we need more talent on the 3rd and 4th lines. Without it, any team is in 8th, 9th or 10th in HE.

Carr certainly had a bad weekend, which, unfortunately, is turning into the norm for him this season. He has been fighting the puck a lot lately. He gave up 2 weak ones on Saturday (didn't see the Friday game but would assume more of the same since he was yanked for Robbins). I wasn't too impressed with Mountain either. He had no shot on the first one, but had a clear look at the 2nd and 3rd. I do think the 3rd goal by Arnold was a pretty goal going wideside from just about the dot. No shot on the 4th goal with the scrum in front of the net (similar to the first), and I don't even think he saw the blast from Folin in OT. He has at least a 2 or 3 person screen in front of him.

The rolling of 4D certainly wore on NU, and you could tell they were dragging in the 3rd. I don't know what injury Element sustained, but he was taken out by Cornell in that scrum where Pendenza got called for slashing. When he went down, he went straight for his knee, so that probably doesn't bode well.

Thiessen'sBetter
01-28-2013, 02:05 AM
On a better note, Northeastern men's bball won again to improve to 8-0 in conference and are the decisive favorites to represent the CAA in the NCAA tourney. The only negative of course, is that an NCAA berth guarantees Roby isn't going anywhere. That said, congrats to Bill Coen and the team. The hockey Huskies could learn a thing or two about finishing a game from them.

steve66
01-28-2013, 09:23 AM
I absolutely don't blame you for being beyond pixxed off about where this program stands but I'll have to respectfully disagree with your lashing out at everyone who doesn't totally agree with you to the point of accusing them of complacency or worse. I don't know who you or Steve66 or anyone else on this thread are but if they're taking the time to regularly read this thread and occasionally post their opinions, then trust me--they care, and probably passionately.

As for me, I've been living and dying with this program (mostly the latter) for more years than I want to admit to. How I've managed to survive the grief and frustration and pain this program has delivered to me for so many years without it killing me is something of a miracle. But I keep coming back for more because I care about this university in general and this hockey program in particular. Passionately. And I put my money where my mouth is and regularly write checks earmarked for this program. Not enough to have even a water bottle named for me but nonetheless consistent.

And I occasionally put my mouth where my money is. I'm probably the only person on this thread to have told the President of this university, to his face, that the hockey program is in trouble and needs fixing. Maybe not in so many words, but that was the message. And I know for a fact that at least one other person in the room on that occasion delivered substantially the same message. So if you think the older alums are content to sit back and accept the status quo, you're flat-out wrong!

So will my verbal shot across Dr. Vowel's bow do any good? Probably not. But neither will insults hurled on internet message boards. It should be painfully evident to all that that the upper echelons of the university administration are content to see our varsity athletic teams play nice in the sandbox. They do not--or will not--see the link between consistent athletic success and the broader impacts on institutional reputation that places like Notre Dame, Stanford, Duke, and even BC not only see but emphasize. But does this mean we have to throw our hands up and accept more mediocrity? Hell no. But let's be honest: We can do little more than tilt at windmills and hope it attracts the attention of some of the mega-donors who have the leverage to force change.

But one thing we can do something about is to stop the name calling. We ought to be better than that. It is inevitable (and healthy) that people will have differences of opinion on the direction of the program, the quality of recruits, coaching decisions, whether or not the coaching staff should get another year, and more. But where there are disagreements that can't be resolved, let's agree to disagree without the personal invective. In the end, we're all on the same team.

The internet has made a lot of people in the world tougher. 75% of the things written in here would never be said to anyone face to face. Most guys in here if given the chance to speak to Madigan would say good luck tonight then run to there computers and say he sucks fire him. You see it everywhere!