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Gurtholfin
02-28-2013, 07:10 PM
:) I don't know quite what to say. Tied a piece of shoe leather to a string out of boredom and threw it in to see if a bullhead might come along and I get a you, Happy? You're a trout at least, aren't you? You don't belong in this ditchwater.


I hope you had the drag set right, just in case.

JDUBBS1280
02-28-2013, 07:13 PM
Well, I'll give you that John Gilbert didn't dispute this quote, as he provided it. But for all we know US hockey had him killed for saying this very thing. Mr. Campbell was dead just a few years later.

USA Hockey never disputed it either. Unless you have proof otherwise? Is everyone at USA Hockey dead too?

burd
02-28-2013, 07:14 PM
I hope you had the drag set right, just in case.

No. I was so surprised he ran the whole spool out before I knew what was happening. Real fish don't even eat that kind of shat.

Wisko McBadgerton
02-28-2013, 07:28 PM
USA Hockey never disputed it either. Unless you have proof otherwise? Is everyone at USA Hockey dead too?

I merely stated we don't know if they disputed it. Along with the possibility they committed murder over it. I have no evidence of either. I wouldn't be hiding it for 30 years if I did.

As far as them being dead-- No. At least not yet. Suicide at learning the greatest accomplishment was the '74 Gopher title may be a concern.

JDUBBS1280
02-28-2013, 07:37 PM
I merely stated we don't know if they disputed it. Along with the possibility they committed murder over it. I have no evidence of either. I wouldn't be hiding it for 30 years if I did.

As far as them being dead-- No. At least not yet. Suicide at learning the greatest accomplishment was the '74 Gopher title may be a concern.

Well, get back to us if you find something. Until then, I'm considering the Commish's words to be genuine.

Praise be to Mariucci.

Happy
02-28-2013, 07:37 PM
:) I don't know quite what to say. Tied a piece of shoe leather to a string out of boredom and threw it in to see if a bullhead might come along and I get a you, Happy? You're a trout at least, aren't you? You don't belong in this ditchwater.

This is slightly more interesting than vacuuming mouse poop out from behind my workbench, which is the chore I procrastinated by making that comment. but, I gotta get er done, so I will leave you to your fun.

Slap Shot
02-28-2013, 07:48 PM
Is Dubbers the dope, or should that label belong to those that keep trying to reason with him?

:)

JDUBBS1280
02-28-2013, 07:49 PM
Is Dubbers the dope, or should that label belong to those that keep trying to reason with him?

Ignore is a wonderful feature. :)

Your ignorance is stupifying. Read the thread tough guy. I've been far more reasonable and logical than some.

Example:




"I wasn't implying that using the players we did was a handicap, and I am not intending to diminish the accomplishments of teams who won championships with all variety of players. The championships themselves should count the same."

UncleRay
03-01-2013, 07:33 AM
Personally, I think these things matter a lot. Just my view.They do matter a lot. To you. Not so much to many of the rest of us. Or hasn't that sunk in yet?

JDUBBS1280
03-01-2013, 07:55 AM
They do matter a lot. To you. Not so much to many of the rest of us. Or hasn't that sunk in yet?

So, when the US wins medals in international compeitions, you don't care? When your team recruits an American kid who helps you win a title, you don't care?

Sorry, don't believe you. How can you not care about the growth of hockey in this country?

Osorojo
03-01-2013, 08:08 AM
"NCAA program rankings - accomplishments only" requires a listing of programs' won-lost records, nothing more. Citing a record of, say, 225-130-31 does not need any further explanation. Such explanations are all about the poster, not the program.

JDUBBS1280
03-01-2013, 08:20 AM
"NCAA program rankings - accomplishments only" requires a listing of programs' won-lost records, nothing more. Citing a record of, say, 225-130-31 does not need any further explanation. Such explanations are all about the poster, not the program.

Playing a very significant factor in the growth of the sport in this country isn't an "accomplishment"?

I disagree.

4four4
03-01-2013, 09:13 AM
Again, I said I partially conceded the point above. I wasn't implying that using the players we did was a handicap, and I am not intending to diminish the accomplishments of teams who won championships with all variety of players. The championships themselves should count the same.

What I am saying is, these accomplishments are unique to college hockey, and were important to USA Hockey and Minnesota Hockey. An NHL commissioner (forget whom) called Minnesota's championship in 1974 at the time "arguably the most important thing to happen to USA Hockey".

These things showed American kids it wasn't just Canada's game. That US kids could compete with and beat teams with rosters heavy on Canadians.

Sincerely, I'm not trying to toot Minnesota's horn here. I know people here hate provincialism and I know I have a tendancy to be very provincial. I just don't know how else to explain what really are truths.

By recruiting primarily Minnesotans at the University of Minnesota, John Mariucci gave more opportunities to play at the next level to Minnesota kids.

During Mariucci's tenure, high school hockey programs in Minnesota grew ten fold. Thus more and more Minnesotans began to play the game.

Minnesotans comprised over half the 1960 and 1980 US Olympic Hockey rosters. These Gold Medal teams gave inspiration to play to many other kids around the country.

It's why John Mariucci is not just in the US Hockey Hall of Fame, but in THE Hockey Hall of Fame as a builder. How many other college hockey coaches are in both Halls as a builder?

The impact of Minnesota's recruiting practices WERE significant to the growth of hockey in this country. All I'm saying is that would be a factor of mine when determining Minnesota's "greatness" as a program.
Herb Brooks is in both halls .

Osorojo
03-01-2013, 09:14 AM
Playing a very significant factor in the growth of the sport in this country isn't an "accomplishment"?

I disagree.

Ranking programs according to their "significant factor in the growth of the sport" is certainly a metaphysical task. Even so, I would nominate the Federal Outdoor Recreation Act of 1962 which funded the construction of most community rinks as #1 - by a huge margin.

JDUBBS1280
03-01-2013, 09:18 AM
Ranking programs according to their "significant factor in the growth of the sport" is certainly a metaphysical task. Even so, I would nominate the Federal Outdoor Recreation Program of the early 60's which funded the construction of most community rinks as #1 - by a huge margin.

I disagree, outdoor ice was and still is the cheapest and most readibly available ice in which to play. Not to mention, without the increased interest in hockey in this country, largely fostered by Minnesota's recruiting practices, more people would have chosen other "outdoor activities" to take advantage of.

But to play along, which college program would you credit for that federal program?

4four4
03-01-2013, 09:31 AM
I disagree, outdoor ice was and still is the cheapest and most readibly available ice in which to play. Not to mention, without the increased interest in hockey in this country, largely fostered by Minnesota's recruiting practices, more people would have chosen other "outdoor activities" to take advantage of.

But to play along, which college program would you credit for that federal program?

Augsburg College Auggies!

Mile High Hockey
03-01-2013, 09:36 AM
I disagree, outdoor ice was and still is the cheapest and most readibly available ice in which to play. Not to mention, without the increased interest in hockey in this country, largely fostered by Minnesota's recruiting practices, more people would have chosen other "outdoor activities" to take advantage of.

But to play along, which college program would you credit for that federal program?

Harvard. John Kennedy signed the bill.

Maybe partial credit to the bill's sponsors? Assuming they were from a university that sponsored college hockey.

4four4
03-01-2013, 09:39 AM
Harvard. John Kennedy signed the bill.

Maybe partial credit to the bill's sponsors? Assuming they were from a university that sponsored college hockey.

Nope, Augsburg College Auggies!

Mile High Hockey
03-01-2013, 09:41 AM
Nope, Augsburg College Auggies!

But Kennedy never went to Augsburg. If I understand JDUBBS1280s line of thinking, the school that produced/employed the person gets credit for what that person does.

JDUBBS1280
03-01-2013, 09:45 AM
But Kennedy never went to Augsburg. If I understand JDUBBS1280s line of thinking, the school that produced/employed the person gets credit for what that person does.

Except, the difference is that recruiting primarily (and for a while exclusivley) in-state was an institutional philosophy started by John Mariucci and carried on by all his successors. Mariucci didn't win that title that Campbell called "USA Hockey's greatest achievement". Brooks did. Not to mention, I fail to see any connection Kennedy had with Harvard's hockey program.