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  • #16
    Re: NCAA era Program rankings-accomplishments only

    Originally posted by JDUBBS1280 View Post
    Why?
    Because you would actually have to look at other programs besides Minnesota.

    Good job HumRsky. I obviously had different weightings and looked at different things, but in just looking at team accomplishments this is a pretty good formula. These are always fun to do and look at how the results come out. Anyway, kudos, well done.
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    • #17
      Re: NCAA era Program rankings-accomplishments only

      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
      With the tradition modifier Minnesota is #1.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
        Because you would actually have to look at other programs besides Minnesota.

        Good job HumRsky. I obviously had different weightings and looked at different things, but in just looking at team accomplishments this is a pretty good formula. These are always fun to do and look at how the results come out. Anyway, kudos, well done.
        Thanks! Since you think about these things a lot harder than any of the rest of us, I was curious about your reaction. I appreciate the positive response.
        SCSU Hockey: 2001 WCHA Playoff Champions, 2013 WCHA Champions & Frozen Four, 2014 NCHC Champions, 2016 NCHC Playoff Champions
        UMD Women: 2001, 2002, 2003, 2008, 2010
        Gopher Football: 1934, 1935, 1936, 1940, 1941, 1960
        Johnnie Football: 1963, 1965, 1976, 2003
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        • #19
          Re: NCAA era Program rankings-accomplishments only

          Originally posted by HumRsky View Post
          Thanks! Since you think about these things a lot harder than any of the rest of us, I was curious about your reaction. I appreciate the positive response.
          You're welcome. Really, my only criticisms would be nit-picky type stuff (i.e. a championships won in 1948 was worth less (23 points) than a championship won in 2008 (25 points)). That and there are a few numbers that differ from what I have, but as for the formula, I think it works well especially from a relationship standpoint. Like I said before, I would have weighted things a tad differently, but that's just our differences of opinion. Again, I like the formula, and good job.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
            You're welcome. Really, my only criticisms would be nit-picky type stuff (i.e. a championships won in 1948 was worth less (23 points) than a championship won in 2008 (25 points)). That and there are a few numbers that differ from what I have, but as for the formula, I think it works well especially from a relationship standpoint. Like I said before, I would have weighted things a tad differently, but that's just our differences of opinion. Again, I like the formula, and good job.
            I forgot to mention in my first post that I got my NCAA tournament numbers from the NCAA record book, and therefore did not include vacated years. I got my conference numbers from the College Hockey Historical Archive. My decision to include Ivy League and Tri-State Champioships from 1948-1961 may have given me some different numbers than you. I felt that teams in those conferences were very relevant at that time and that was the only conference those teams were in.
            Last edited by HumRsky; 04-14-2012, 11:08 AM.
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            UMD Women: 2001, 2002, 2003, 2008, 2010
            Gopher Football: 1934, 1935, 1936, 1940, 1941, 1960
            Johnnie Football: 1963, 1965, 1976, 2003
            UMD Football: 2008, 2010
            UMD Men: 2011

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            • #21
              Re: NCAA era Program rankings-accomplishments only

              Originally posted by HumRsky View Post
              I forgot to mention in my first post that I got my NCAA tournament numbers from the NCAA record book, and therefore did not include vacated years. I got my conference numbers from the College Hockey Historical Archive. My decision to include Ivy League and Tri-State Champioships from 1949-1961 may have given me some different numbers than you. I felt that teams in those conferences were very relevant at that time and they were the only conference those teams were in.
              One thing I might suggest is to include the Big 10 champions from 1947-1948 until the creation of the MCHL (WCHA). Logically that seems to fit with what you were trying to do by including Ivy League and Tri-State Champions.

              Also, I think some of the numbers from the NCAA record book are wrong. I believe Michigan only has 49 NCAA wins, while BC has 46. Plus, as you mentioned, the vacated years are not included (which hurts DU and Wisconsin, although just point wise, not ranking wise). I've been putting my numbers together for 3 years and still find mistakes (including one huge one in regards to DU this year), so it happens
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              • #22
                Re: NCAA era Program rankings-accomplishments only

                Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                Because you would actually have to look at other programs besides Minnesota.

                Good job HumRsky. I obviously had different weightings and looked at different things, but in just looking at team accomplishments this is a pretty good formula. These are always fun to do and look at how the results come out. Anyway, kudos, well done.
                My sources have confirmed this is the formula that would be used in that situation: Tradition + Are you Minnesota? = Your ranking

                By plugging in this mysterious formula I came up with:

                #1 - Minnesota
                #58 - North Dakota
                #58 - Boston University
                #58 - Boston College
                #58 - Michigan
                #58 - Wisconsin
                #58 - Denver
                #58 - Michigan State
                #58 - Maine
                #58 - Michigan Tech
                #58 - Cornell
                #58 - Colorado College
                #58 - Lake Superior St.
                #58 - Rensselaer
                #58 - Harvard
                #58 - Clarkson
                #58 - Bowling Green
                #58 - New Hampshire
                #58 - Minnesota Duluth
                #58 - Northern Mich.
                #58 - St. Lawrence
                #58 - Miami
                #58 - Providence
                #58 - Notre Dame
                #58 - Dartmouth
                #58 - Yale
                #58 - Colgate
                #58 - Ferris State
                #58 - Northeastern
                #58 - Brown
                #58 - Ohio State
                #58 - Mass. Lowell
                #58 - Vermont
                #58 - Union
                #58 - St. Cloud St.
                #58 - Bemidji State
                #58 - Niagara
                #58 - Western Mich.
                #58 - RIT
                #58 - Air Force
                #58 - Princeton
                #58 - AK Anchorage
                #58 - Alaska
                #58 - Holy Cross
                #58 - Quinnipiac
                #58 - Massachusetts
                #58 - Merrimack
                #58 - Minnesota State
                #58 - Neb. Omaha
                #58 - Mercyhurst
                #58 - AL. Huntsville
                #58 - American Intern'l
                #58 - Army
                #58 - Connecticut
                #58 - Sacred Heart
                #58 - Robert Morris
                #58 - Canisius
                #58 -Bentley
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                  One thing I might suggest is to include the Big 10 champions from 1947-1948 until the creation of the MCHL (WCHA). Logically that seems to fit with what you were trying to do by including Ivy League and Tri-State Champions.

                  Also, I think some of the numbers from the NCAA record book are wrong. I believe Michigan only has 49 NCAA wins, while BC has 46. Plus, as you mentioned, the vacated years are not included (which hurts DU and Wisconsin, although just point wise, not ranking wise). I've been putting my numbers together for 3 years and still find mistakes (including one huge one in regards to DU this year), so it happens
                  The B1G record book shows that hockey championships were awarded from 1958-59 until 1980-81, so always concurrent with some form of the WCHA.
                  SCSU Hockey: 2001 WCHA Playoff Champions, 2013 WCHA Champions & Frozen Four, 2014 NCHC Champions, 2016 NCHC Playoff Champions
                  UMD Women: 2001, 2002, 2003, 2008, 2010
                  Gopher Football: 1934, 1935, 1936, 1940, 1941, 1960
                  Johnnie Football: 1963, 1965, 1976, 2003
                  UMD Football: 2008, 2010
                  UMD Men: 2011

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Biddco View Post
                    My sources have confirmed this is the formula that would be used in that situation: Tradition + Are you Minnesota? = Your ranking
                    I found one created by a North Dakota fan not named FS23 and it came up with this:

                    1. North Dakota
                    2. Holy Cross
                    A bunch of college hockey teams that may or may not exist
                    -infinity. Denver
                    -infinity x2. Minnesota
                    -infinity x3. Aaron Marvin
                    SCSU Hockey: 2001 WCHA Playoff Champions, 2013 WCHA Champions & Frozen Four, 2014 NCHC Champions, 2016 NCHC Playoff Champions
                    UMD Women: 2001, 2002, 2003, 2008, 2010
                    Gopher Football: 1934, 1935, 1936, 1940, 1941, 1960
                    Johnnie Football: 1963, 1965, 1976, 2003
                    UMD Football: 2008, 2010
                    UMD Men: 2011

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                    • #25
                      Re: NCAA era Program rankings-accomplishments only

                      Originally posted by HumRsky View Post
                      The B1G record book shows that hockey championships were awarded from 1958-59 until 1980-81, so always concurrent with some form of the WCHA.
                      Perhaps it is just the Gophers then that count "Big 10" titles from the 20s and 30s?
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                      National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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                      • #26
                        Re: NCAA era Program rankings-accomplishments only

                        Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                        Perhaps it is just the Gophers then that count "Big 10" titles from the 20s and 30s?
                        Like that would ever happen.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                          Perhaps it is just the Gophers then that count "Big 10" titles from the 20s and 30s?
                          Couldn't tell ya
                          SCSU Hockey: 2001 WCHA Playoff Champions, 2013 WCHA Champions & Frozen Four, 2014 NCHC Champions, 2016 NCHC Playoff Champions
                          UMD Women: 2001, 2002, 2003, 2008, 2010
                          Gopher Football: 1934, 1935, 1936, 1940, 1941, 1960
                          Johnnie Football: 1963, 1965, 1976, 2003
                          UMD Football: 2008, 2010
                          UMD Men: 2011

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                          • #28
                            Re: NCAA era Program rankings-accomplishments only

                            The only change I would make is adding 1 point for every game played at Mariucci or Williams arenas. That seems a reasonable measure of a program.
                            Bottom Line: If you deserve to win the national championship then don't worry about who you play, when, and where. Just keep winning.
                            Exception: You are right about the refs. They, no doubt, have it in for <insert your team name here>!

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                            • #29
                              Re: NCAA era Program rankings-accomplishments only

                              Where is the Rau multiplier dammit?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by gopheritall View Post
                                The only change I would make is adding 1 point for every game played at Mariucci or Williams arenas. That seems a reasonable measure of a program.
                                100 points for playing Brock Hall and a bonus 50 for beating them.
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