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  • Re: NCAA era Program rankings-accomplishments only

    Originally posted by burd View Post
    I don't know quite what to say. Tied a piece of shoe leather to a string out of boredom and threw it in to see if a bullhead might come along and I get a you, Happy? You're a trout at least, aren't you? You don't belong in this ditchwater.
    This is slightly more interesting than vacuuming mouse poop out from behind my workbench, which is the chore I procrastinated by making that comment. but, I gotta get er done, so I will leave you to your fun.
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    The reason for the talent in the west? Because MN didn't rely on Canada.

    Originally posted by MN Pond Hockey
    Menards could have sold a lot of rope

    this morning in Grand Forks if North Dakota had trees.

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    • Re: NCAA era Program rankings-accomplishments only

      Is Dubbers the dope, or should that label belong to those that keep trying to reason with him?

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      • Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
        Is Dubbers the dope, or should that label belong to those that keep trying to reason with him?

        Ignore is a wonderful feature.
        Your ignorance is stupifying. Read the thread tough guy. I've been far more reasonable and logical than some.

        Example:

        Originally posted by JDUBBS1280 View Post

        "I wasn't implying that using the players we did was a handicap, and I am not intending to diminish the accomplishments of teams who won championships with all variety of players. The championships themselves should count the same."
        Last edited by JDUBBS1280; 02-28-2013, 08:00 PM.

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        • Re: NCAA era Program rankings-accomplishments only

          Originally posted by JDUBBS1280 View Post
          Personally, I think these things matter a lot. Just my view.
          They do matter a lot. To you. Not so much to many of the rest of us. Or hasn't that sunk in yet?
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          • Originally posted by UncleRay View Post
            They do matter a lot. To you. Not so much to many of the rest of us. Or hasn't that sunk in yet?
            So, when the US wins medals in international compeitions, you don't care? When your team recruits an American kid who helps you win a title, you don't care?

            Sorry, don't believe you. How can you not care about the growth of hockey in this country?
            Last edited by JDUBBS1280; 03-01-2013, 07:57 AM.

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            • Re: NCAA era Program rankings-accomplishments only

              "NCAA program rankings - accomplishments only" requires a listing of programs' won-lost records, nothing more. Citing a record of, say, 225-130-31 does not need any further explanation. Such explanations are all about the poster, not the program.

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              • Originally posted by Osorojo View Post
                "NCAA program rankings - accomplishments only" requires a listing of programs' won-lost records, nothing more. Citing a record of, say, 225-130-31 does not need any further explanation. Such explanations are all about the poster, not the program.
                Playing a very significant factor in the growth of the sport in this country isn't an "accomplishment"?

                I disagree.

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                • Originally posted by JDUBBS1280 View Post
                  Again, I said I partially conceded the point above. I wasn't implying that using the players we did was a handicap, and I am not intending to diminish the accomplishments of teams who won championships with all variety of players. The championships themselves should count the same.

                  What I am saying is, these accomplishments are unique to college hockey, and were important to USA Hockey and Minnesota Hockey. An NHL commissioner (forget whom) called Minnesota's championship in 1974 at the time "arguably the most important thing to happen to USA Hockey".

                  These things showed American kids it wasn't just Canada's game. That US kids could compete with and beat teams with rosters heavy on Canadians.

                  Sincerely, I'm not trying to toot Minnesota's horn here. I know people here hate provincialism and I know I have a tendancy to be very provincial. I just don't know how else to explain what really are truths.

                  By recruiting primarily Minnesotans at the University of Minnesota, John Mariucci gave more opportunities to play at the next level to Minnesota kids.

                  During Mariucci's tenure, high school hockey programs in Minnesota grew ten fold. Thus more and more Minnesotans began to play the game.

                  Minnesotans comprised over half the 1960 and 1980 US Olympic Hockey rosters. These Gold Medal teams gave inspiration to play to many other kids around the country.

                  It's why John Mariucci is not just in the US Hockey Hall of Fame, but in THE Hockey Hall of Fame as a builder. How many other college hockey coaches are in both Halls as a builder?

                  The impact of Minnesota's recruiting practices WERE significant to the growth of hockey in this country. All I'm saying is that would be a factor of mine when determining Minnesota's "greatness" as a program.
                  Herb Brooks is in both halls .
                  Slap Shot - 444 might want to consider a restraining order.
                  dggoddard - Minnesota is THE ELITE Program in all of college hockey.
                  wasmania - you have to be the very best to get ice time with the great gophers!

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                  • Re: NCAA era Program rankings-accomplishments only

                    Originally posted by JDUBBS1280 View Post
                    Playing a very significant factor in the growth of the sport in this country isn't an "accomplishment"?

                    I disagree.
                    Ranking programs according to their "significant factor in the growth of the sport" is certainly a metaphysical task. Even so, I would nominate the Federal Outdoor Recreation Act of 1962 which funded the construction of most community rinks as #1 - by a huge margin.
                    Last edited by Osorojo; 03-01-2013, 09:19 AM.

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                    • Originally posted by Osorojo View Post
                      Ranking programs according to their "significant factor in the growth of the sport" is certainly a metaphysical task. Even so, I would nominate the Federal Outdoor Recreation Program of the early 60's which funded the construction of most community rinks as #1 - by a huge margin.
                      I disagree, outdoor ice was and still is the cheapest and most readibly available ice in which to play. Not to mention, without the increased interest in hockey in this country, largely fostered by Minnesota's recruiting practices, more people would have chosen other "outdoor activities" to take advantage of.

                      But to play along, which college program would you credit for that federal program?
                      Last edited by JDUBBS1280; 03-01-2013, 09:30 AM.

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                      • Originally posted by JDUBBS1280 View Post
                        I disagree, outdoor ice was and still is the cheapest and most readibly available ice in which to play. Not to mention, without the increased interest in hockey in this country, largely fostered by Minnesota's recruiting practices, more people would have chosen other "outdoor activities" to take advantage of.

                        But to play along, which college program would you credit for that federal program?
                        Augsburg College Auggies!
                        Slap Shot - 444 might want to consider a restraining order.
                        dggoddard - Minnesota is THE ELITE Program in all of college hockey.
                        wasmania - you have to be the very best to get ice time with the great gophers!

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                        • Re: NCAA era Program rankings-accomplishments only

                          Originally posted by JDUBBS1280 View Post
                          I disagree, outdoor ice was and still is the cheapest and most readibly available ice in which to play. Not to mention, without the increased interest in hockey in this country, largely fostered by Minnesota's recruiting practices, more people would have chosen other "outdoor activities" to take advantage of.

                          But to play along, which college program would you credit for that federal program?
                          Harvard. John Kennedy signed the bill.

                          Maybe partial credit to the bill's sponsors? Assuming they were from a university that sponsored college hockey.

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                          • Originally posted by Mile High Hockey View Post
                            Harvard. John Kennedy signed the bill.

                            Maybe partial credit to the bill's sponsors? Assuming they were from a university that sponsored college hockey.
                            Nope, Augsburg College Auggies!
                            Slap Shot - 444 might want to consider a restraining order.
                            dggoddard - Minnesota is THE ELITE Program in all of college hockey.
                            wasmania - you have to be the very best to get ice time with the great gophers!

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                            • Re: NCAA era Program rankings-accomplishments only

                              Originally posted by 4four4 View Post
                              Nope, Augsburg College Auggies!
                              But Kennedy never went to Augsburg. If I understand JDUBBS1280s line of thinking, the school that produced/employed the person gets credit for what that person does.

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                              • Originally posted by Mile High Hockey View Post
                                But Kennedy never went to Augsburg. If I understand JDUBBS1280s line of thinking, the school that produced/employed the person gets credit for what that person does.
                                Except, the difference is that recruiting primarily (and for a while exclusivley) in-state was an institutional philosophy started by John Mariucci and carried on by all his successors. Mariucci didn't win that title that Campbell called "USA Hockey's greatest achievement". Brooks did. Not to mention, I fail to see any connection Kennedy had with Harvard's hockey program.

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