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  • Re: UConn to apply to Hockey East

    RPI, Clarkson and St. Lawrence were 3 of the initial target schools for HE before Maine etc. were invited.

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    • Re: UConn to apply to Hockey East

      Originally posted by BostonFriar View Post
      RPI, Clarkson and St. Lawrence were 3 of the initial target schools for HE before Maine etc. were invited.
      Ironic, isn't it?
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      • Re: UConn to apply to Hockey East

        Originally posted by BostonFriar View Post
        RPI, Clarkson and St. Lawrence were 3 of the initial target schools for HE before Maine etc. were invited.
        They wanted to play with the Ivies for obvious reasons. Which is why I think RPI might not actually go through with it even if they were invited by HE.

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        • Re: UConn to apply to Hockey East

          Originally posted by TigerFan86-87 View Post
          Never heard that one before either.
          Of course, technically, RIT is in the northern part of West Henrietta. So although the joke is older than I am and still mildly amusing, it is inaccurate.
          Guess you could say there's not a WHIT of truth to that story...
          Here we come!

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          • Re: UConn to apply to Hockey East

            Originally posted by johnk View Post
            The Big East is weak as far as a Division 1 football conference. What does their football have to do with upside? How many of the current D-1 hockey teams even have a major Division 1 football program? So what is it. Their arena? Their huge fan base? Or is it their rich tradition and tremendous name recognition when you watch all of the NHL telecasts. Maybe its the state of Connecticut and their huge budget deficit that everyone is banking on. UConn hockey and their 400 fans is probably at the top of their priority list. No brainer!
            Hey, you're the one who brought up football... And RPI football is even more irrelevant than is RPI hockey, on a national level. (Maybe I missed your point?)

            My point was that I believe UConn has the national recognition and the resources to take their hockey program to the next level far sooner than RPI.

            You could ask 1,000 people on the street in, say, Chicago, where and what an RPI is, and I'm guessing you'd get correct responses from about 3% of them, at best. On the other hand, everyone knows UConn. Bet the Huskies would start recruiting real talent immediately.

            I don't see RPI being a player again anytime soon. That ship has sailed, and it might not come home to port for a very long time, if ever.

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            • Re: UConn to apply to Hockey East

              Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post
              Hey, you're the one who brought up football... And RPI football is even more irrelevant than is RPI hockey, on a national level. (Maybe I missed your point?)

              My point was that I believe UConn has the national recognition and the resources to take their hockey program to the next level far sooner than RPI.

              You could ask 1,000 people on the street in, say, Chicago, where and what an RPI is, and I'm guessing you'd get correct responses from about 3% of them, at best. On the other hand, everyone knows UConn. Bet the Huskies would start recruiting real talent immediately.

              I don't see RPI being a player again anytime soon. That ship has sailed, and it might not come home to port for a very long time, if ever.
              Actually I'm not the one who brought up football. I was responding to RSTuthill. I'm assuming that same group of people in Chicago would also know UConn over North Dakota or St. Cloud State who are both moving their programs into a new major D-1 hockey league. Where are these magical resources you are talking about? The state is broke and cutting programs at all levels. They dont have an arena to play in. All you are hanging your hat on is name recognition. If you noticed, nobody in the world of college hockey cares. I suppose Union has a big name recognition. You think theie ship has sailed? We are talking about college hockey here, not football or basketball.

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              • Re: UConn to apply to Hockey East

                Originally posted by johnk View Post
                The state is broke and cutting programs at all levels.
                Actually the state of CT is projected to run a surplus this year.

                Ask last year's ACC champion Clemson how weak the BE is. And next year (2013) with both Houston and Boise St. it will be stronger than last year.

                Btw, although I do have an RPI degree, 95% of sportsfans in the USA recognize RPI as the Ratings Percentage Index.

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                • Re: UConn to apply to Hockey East

                  Originally posted by RSTuthill View Post
                  Btw, although I do have an RPI degree, 95% of sportsfans in the USA recognize RPI as the Ratings Percentage Index.
                  Yea, and 95% of people think Uconn is a territory in northern Canada.
                  Originally posted by Greg Ambrose on 3/7/2010
                  The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.

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                    Originally posted by Nick Papagiorgio View Post
                    Yea, and 95% of people think Uconn is a territory in northern Canada.
                    Ah, but there is exactly the rub. They do not. They know UConn is a big state university in CT that has national level sports programs. That is pretty much exactly the point.

                    And they think the Yukon is part of Alaska (from which you can see Russia)

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                    • Re: UConn to apply to Hockey East

                      The thing that would most concern me if I was HE, would be the actual level of commitment from Uconn. It's all fine to say they are going to really commit resources to hockey but given their hockey history I would be skeptical. They have not shown any real commitment so far and given the level of the AHA it would take a ton to become very competitive in the HE. Also with a semi-fringe sport like hockey at a BB school like Uconn it makes me wary where the money will go when it's really needed. National champions BB or loosing hockey program? If they really do commit resources to hockey then the upside of a Uconn joining HE is large, I fear that there is just as much risk with them never really committing the resources and being a perennial bottom dweller as they have been in the AHA.

                      While RPI might not have the "big name recognition" as Uconn they do have a solid program that could compete right away in the HE and be an asset to the conference. Now and in the future without the potential downside(s).
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                      • Re: UConn to apply to Hockey East

                        Originally posted by RSTuthill View Post
                        Ah, but there is exactly the rub. They do not. They know UConn is a big state university in CT that has national level sports programs. That is pretty much exactly the point.

                        And they think the Yukon is part of Alaska (from which you can see Russia)
                        Do you poll people for a living?
                        Originally posted by Greg Ambrose on 3/7/2010
                        The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.

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                        • Re: UConn to apply to Hockey East

                          Originally posted by Nick Papagiorgio View Post
                          Do you poll people for a living?
                          Maybe RST spends a good deal of time on the Quinnipiac campus...

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                          • Re: UConn to apply to Hockey East

                            Originally posted by Nick Papagiorgio View Post
                            Do you poll people for a living?
                            Are you asking if he is a pollster or a porn star?
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                            • Re: UConn to apply to Hockey East

                              Originally posted by johnk View Post
                              Actually I'm not the one who brought up football. I was responding to RSTuthill. I'm assuming that same group of people in Chicago would also know UConn over North Dakota or St. Cloud State who are both moving their programs into a new major D-1 hockey league. Where are these magical resources you are talking about? The state is broke and cutting programs at all levels. They dont have an arena to play in. All you are hanging your hat on is name recognition. If you noticed, nobody in the world of college hockey cares. I suppose Union has a big name recognition. You think theie ship has sailed? We are talking about college hockey here, not football or basketball.
                              Johnk & Matt, I don't think that is really accurate. name recognition is only 1 factor. If you look at overall athletic profile, though, UCONN has domonstrated that it is capable of building competetive programs from the ground up in multiple sports...basketball(3 national titles since 1999), womens basketball(too many to count), soccer(4 national championships),womens soccer, recently baseball, football(5 bows in 7 years). So if you aregoing to bet on potential, which you really are doing with brining someone to Hockey East, UCONN bring both a name and a history of success in a number of sports. And as they say while past performance is no guarentee of future success, it would seem like a reasonable bet that the Huskies will be successful in time.
                              Last edited by Jim; 04-13-2012, 09:44 AM.

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                              • Re: UConn to apply to Hockey East

                                Originally posted by Jim View Post
                                Johnk & Matt, I don't think that is really accurate. name recognition is only 1 factor. If you look at overall athletic profile, though, UCONN has domonstrated that it is capable of building competetive programs from the ground up in multiple sports...basketball(3 national titles since 1999), womens basketball(too many to count), soccer(4 national championships),womens soccer, recently baseball, football(5 bows in 7 years). So if you aregoing to bet on potential, which you really are doing with brining someone to Hockey East, UCONN bring both a name and a history of success in a number of sports. And as they say while past performance is no guarentee of future success, it would seem like a reasonable bet that the Huskies will be successful in time.
                                All true but I have to think name recognition plays a big part of it. It's a risk/reward thing for HE. I think it comes down to 2 things with Uconn. First, does HE believe that they will really commit to hockey because if they do the potential is certainly there (ref. your post on national titles). Second, is the risk of them not committing worth it because of Uconn's highly suspect commitment thus far. I think Uconn is a much more "unknown" compared to RPI. I think everyone knows with some certainty what kind of team HE will get if RPI joined and their level of commitment to hockey. While it's much more risky if Uconn joined but the potential certainly is there. For me it would come down to: Do you bet on a program that has won national championships and has a storied history in hockey or on a program that lacks history and that hasn't had a winning season since 99-00 but does has name recognition and an definite upside if they commit to it?
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