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Patman
03-31-2012, 09:24 PM
It would have to be private schools, I would assume BU and BC.

BU has usually been friendly.., my guess is BC and UMass

RSTuthill
03-31-2012, 09:47 PM
I'm thinking this has nothing to do with being friendly with UConn or not. I'm guessing that it is BC and BU and they were afraid certain pieces of their information might leak to the other.

ChiefWahoo
03-31-2012, 10:39 PM
Kick {rov and Merrihack out of Hockey Rast for Hahvahd and UConn!

2004 called. They want their post back.

BTW: It is spelled {Proviced

REDMEN2002
03-31-2012, 10:45 PM
I'm thinking this has nothing to do with being friendly with UConn or not. I'm guessing that it is BC and BU and they were afraid certain pieces of their information might leak to the other.

Pieces of their information? Explain.

AMC
03-31-2012, 10:48 PM
BU has usually been friendly.., my guess is BC and UMass

I would assume all the public schools participated. That information has to be released anyways b/c they are government institutions, and it is all FOIA-able, so there's no benefit to not saying anything.

jjmc85
04-01-2012, 12:47 AM
BU has usually been friendly.., my guess is BC and UMass
The report says
Two institutions whose hockey programs are recognizable in both Hockey East and in collegiate hockey, did not participate in this survey. As a result, data from Hockey East schools is weighted towards more modest revenues and expenses.I'm honored that you think that the UMass hockey program fits that description.

FireKnight
04-01-2012, 07:17 AM
If this happens, I hope the NCAA finds some way to avoid awarding the Ivies an AQ.

Not saying that those teams as a group are necessarily inferior, it's just that I hate AQs, and see no reason for allowing them to trump the PW. We certainly don't need another one dangling out there to further muddy the water.

The NC$$ already has an out to not award a 6 team league an AQ. However, the Ivies aren't going to force this split unless it comes at the hands of the other 6 schools in the ECAC. Both like the association with the others right now, with QU being the possible exception. As far as not liking the way the league is run, the Ivies still have majority rule in anything that goes on in the league. If they don't like the way it's being done, they are as culpable as any other institution or the league itself.

RSTuthill
04-01-2012, 07:42 AM
Pieces of their information? Explain.
Salaries. Income. Stuff like that. Giant egos getting bent out of shape and demanding more.

CornwallAce
04-01-2012, 09:42 AM
Here it is:

http://www.courant.com/media/acrobat/2012-03/69132067-31130345.pdf

How in the world are they getting a $13 average ticket price for the Atlantic?

RITProf
04-01-2012, 10:02 AM
How in the world are they getting a $13 average ticket price for the Atlantic?

And an average of 51 suites in ECAC arenas??? With an average of 58 seats?? Among other strange numbers. The AHA sales numbers definitely don't add up. Hopefully, for UConn's sake the critical numbers regarding UConn and HEA are more accurate.

kingdobbs
04-01-2012, 10:33 AM
And an average of 51 suites in ECAC arenas??? With an average of 58 seats?? Among other strange numbers. The AHA sales numbers definitely don't add up. Hopefully, for UConn's sake the critical numbers regarding UConn and HEA are more accurate.

Bear in mind the numbers they cited were based on the teams they surveyed.

CHFAN222
04-01-2012, 12:44 PM
I would assume all the public schools participated. That information has to be released anyways b/c they are government institutions, and it is all FOIA-able, so there's no benefit to not saying anything.

You are correct. All the expenditures at UMASS and the other public schools is available under FOIA requests so there is no way they could not disclose that. The most they could do is charge them a fee to process the documents requested.

Among the schools that would be able to say no are BC, BU, NU, PC, and MC. BC is an obvious no. PC would likely have been in the survey since they wouldn't want to harm relations with their conference partner. That leaves BU, NU, and MC. BU has nothing to loose from UCONN joining. Among st the remaining two its a toss up on who would not want UCONN in.

RSTuthill
04-01-2012, 01:01 PM
While I still do not think that this has anything to do with friendliness or not, you are right. PC is on very good terms with UConn. In fact, wasn't it fifteen years or so ago that the UConn band played for PC in the NCAA tournament? UConn was in the same city for the BB tournament and had an off day. So when PC took the ice they were unexpectedly greeted by The Saints Go Marching In. And as it turned out, PC won that game.

jjmc85
04-01-2012, 02:27 PM
From the description I quoted above, especially the "modest revenues and expenses" part, along with the points people are making of Public Schools having to participate, it seems obvious to me it was BC and BU.

RITProf
04-01-2012, 03:07 PM
Bear in mind the numbers they cited were based on the teams they surveyed.

Is there even one ECAC arena with 51 suites? (If the ECAC numbers are averages, then there are more seats in suites in the ECAC than there are in the arenas!) I understand it was a limited sample, but there seem to be a lot of numbers that just don't add up. I truly wish UConn all the best, but I think this report might be suffering from a little bit of telling the customer what they want to hear (i.e., perhaps it will cost UConn a whole lot more than estimated here to become competitive in HEA.

(And like everyone, I also have my bias as I'd prefer someone leave ECAC for HEA to give RIT a possible shot at the ECAC.)

Yuppie Scum
04-01-2012, 04:24 PM
1) The consultants estimated an upgrade to 3500 was feasible on the current site (assuming no major changes or new land acquisitions), to a cost of $10.8 million. As I suspected, the best way to expand would be to build up the roof space a la Matthews. An encouraging number if accurate, but it doesn't fit with the HEA desire for at least a 4000 seat arena (the number is cited as a minimum, but it's also stated as not a deal breaker, simply requiring extra approval from the commissioner and/or the conference membership; if HEA is as interested in UConn as it seems, that could be a formality, but that remains to be seen). 3500 is not so far off from 4000, however.


HEA has tollerated the Lawler Arena with 2489 theoretical capacity (Which is actually a reduction of capacity after the reno last year) for 20+ years. I think they'd be fine with a 2500-3500 situation for a few years, especially if they could sell it out. Wouldn't be completely shocked if MC wanted to keep its books closed for this by the way. We all know there were a lot of "Fenway Sellouts."

Fishman'81
04-02-2012, 12:49 AM
The entire capacity issue is a red herring. I've been to dozens and dozens of games over the years at MC, PC, UMA and UML when the actual (vs. the announced-) attendance probably averaged < 2,000. The size of the arena in question doesn't matter until/if it matters... It seems that UConn has a great Plan B in place, if droves of hockey fans suddenly appear at their barn trying to kick down the doors.

I'm in favor of adding UConn. Unlike Notre Dame, they're a natural fit, just as UVM was/is. (And it'll give me another relatively easy drive to see Maine on the road.)

RSTuthill
04-02-2012, 08:06 AM
Is there even one ECAC arena with 51 suites?
Of course not. Ridiculous on the face of it. There might be 51 total but even that is probably a stretch. Suspect the definition of "suite" might be an issue or they are counting their tournament venue suites. Who knows? Probably of little consequence. All they needed was a white paper and they got it. Sounds like the Governor is on board. Let's go!

RITProf
04-02-2012, 08:30 AM
Of course not. Ridiculous on the face of it. There might be 51 total but even that is probably a stretch. Suspect the definition of "suite" might be an issue or they are counting their tournament venue suites. Who knows? Probably of little consequence. All they needed was a white paper and they got it. Sounds like the Governor is on board. Let's go!

Yes ... that is pretty much what I was trying to say. I'd guess the key numbers might be more accurate (let's hope so) and the others were done with significantly less care. ECAC numbers really mean nothing if your plan is to jump from AHA to HEA. I just read the report with different interests; the ECAC vs. AHA comparison.

AMC
04-02-2012, 09:12 AM
Among the schools that would be able to say no are BC, BU, NU, PC, and MC. BC is an obvious no. PC would likely have been in the survey since they wouldn't want to harm relations with their conference partner. That leaves BU, NU, and MC. BU has nothing to loose from UCONN joining. Among st the remaining two its a toss up on who would not want UCONN in.

I don't think it has anything to do with UConn being the school who asked (or UConn's consulting firm being the firm who asked). I think it is entirely a function of not wanting the information to become public. In which case, I think it would be BU mainly because they don't want BC to know anything. What the heck would Merrimack have to hide from anyone? Northeastern is a possibility, but I don't think it's any secret that they spend less than BU/BC. I think BUs nightmare scenario is Parker's exact compensation being released, and them realizing that he is getting a vastly different pay package than York, or BC seeing what they spend on recruiting, or everyone finding out that they are taking a bath on Agganis (I am not insinuating that they are, but it would be embarrassing if so). BU may want UConn in, or not care that UConn gets in, but at the end of the day they'd rather not have someone in the BC athletic offices poring over the books.